Mary Ann Cain (or Smith) Prison records

[Ruth1973]

thats the one I can see on ancestry, I guess Im going to have to renew my membership soon :-D

[Ashtone]

Any thoughts to the older child Susan Smith born in 1882?

The criminal record I mentioned before is on FindMyPast. This looks like the related record on Ancestry.
If you PM me with your details, I'll send you the Ancestry record. It's terrific!

UK, Licences of Parole for Female Convicts, 1853-1871, 1883-1887
Name:   Mary Ann Cain [Mary Ann Smith]
Age:   43  (she was actually 24, according to the images)
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1842  (probably is abt 1859)
Date Convicted:   13 Jun 1883
Court Convicted:   City of Manchester Sessions, Lancashire
Convicted Of:   Larceny from the person: stealing money and a purse
Sentence:   5 years penal servitude, and 3 years police supervision
Licence Number:   7375
Date of Licence:   31 Dec 1885
Residence of Next of Kin:   Manchester, Lancashire

UK, Calendar of Prisoners, 1868-1929
Name:   Mary Ann Cain
Trial Age:   24
Birth Date:   abt 1859
Trial Date:   14 Jun 1883
Trial Place:   Manchester
Occupation:   Factory
Charge:   Stealing; Felony
Sentence:   5 years; 3 years

[Ashtone]

Further to the Ancestry criminal record above, it's definitely your Mary Ann Smith (see below)!
There are quite a few pages, including prisoner photo, full Medical History Sheet, and a record of her letters sent and received, etc.

It appears Mary Ann also had 22 summary convictions for drunkeness, etc. At the time of her 1883 conviction, she was pregnant.

Here are some additional details:

Medical History Sheet (dated 1883) indicates she was born in Manchester, and was 24 years old.
Married with 2 children. [That must be Susan and a son named "James" who died in 1885, according to one of the letters she received in prison].

She'd been in Millbank via Strangeways circa 1883.
Later she was confined in Fulham Convict Prison. Then she was to "repair forthwith to the East End Refuge, Finchley".

"Removed to East End House, Finchley, on conditional license 12 Jan 1886, for friend Mrs Elizabeth Jones, 4 Duke Street, Salford". NOTE: Elizabeth Jones (age 40) is living at this address in 1881. She's from Birmingham.

[Ashtone]

Possible earlier conviction for Mary Ann Cain?

UK, Calendar of Prisoners, 1868-1929
Name:   Mary Ann Cain
Trial Age:   39
Birth Date:   abt 1843
Trial Date:   24 Oct 1882
Trial Place:   Manchester, Lancashire, England
Occupation:   Tailoress
Charge:   Stealing
Sentence:   6 calendar months; 3 years

[heywood]

Hillhurst, that is such a good find: a photograph too!

Elizabeth Jones is living at the same address in 1891 and 1901 too.

[Ruth1973]

Oh my gosh, that’s amazing!
I found the newspaper articles mentioned above and am going to get a copy.

Thankyou!

[Ruth1973]

I didn’t know about Susan. Interestingly Rose’s son named his daughter Susan. And I’ve just discovered Florence named her daughter Kathleen after her aunt, John’s sister.

I think I need to go through the family bible again and start listing all names and addresses in it!

[heywood]

Super news isn’t it.

Have you definitely found John and William together?

I have seen a tree which puts William b Newcastle living in Manchester as a young person. Is that him? If so, where is John?

[Ruth1973]

It might be my tree you found on ancestry. Under ruthrichards1973?
I had one record I found with those names on but nothing else due to a very common surname. To be honest I was searching more on Rose Lynch the wife of William. There are some hints in the tree but I was waiting for some time to research that side more as it’s a bigger family with a common name so I know it’s a tricky one.

I found one that had his name and John and sister Kathleen, which gave a parents name possibly of Bridget but that part I haven’t really researched yet as it’s another stem further up.

There is a distant relative of mine that was also researching this part of the family so has a tree in ancestry too, but some records didn’t match dates I had from my side and as I couldn’t prove it I decided not to use it as confirmed.

I will be ordering Williams birth certificate too at some point to check Bridget is definitely their mother on that stem.