Mary Ann Cain (or Smith) Prison records

[Ruth1973]

Hi, can anyone search criminal or prison records for Mary Ann Smith or Cain (she married John Smith).

I believe she was living at 4 Duke St, Greengate area, Salford in 1891

[CaroleW]

Hi, can anyone search criminal or prison records for Mary Ann Smith or Cain (she married John Smith).

Criminal registers are only available to 1892 so what period are we talking about?

When did she marry John Smith?  Nothing on freebmd

When & where was she born?

I believe she was living at 4 Duke St, Greengate area, Salford in 1891

8 entries for Mary Smith married to John & living in Salford - which is yours - full details please

[Ruth1973]

Hi, I don't have a lot on her apart from an address from a baptism record and her two children that are taken from her before 1891, when her two daughters were adopted / moved in with John's brother William.

Her husband John Smith was born approx 1860 in Newcastle. I can see a few hints on ancestry but can't view them to compare against details I have.

[heywood]

Connected thread here - reply 8
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=853514.

John Smith was born Manchester though.

I see a newspaper snippet dated 5th November 1892, Manchester Evening News re a manslaughter charge ‘causing the death of her husband’ . It looks as though he could be John, perhaps?
The age does not match though. That Mary Ann is 23 yrs.

Do you have reason to believe that she was a criminal?

[CaroleW]

The 1891 entry you refer to show both were born in Manchester.

Who were the children born before 1891?

[heywood]

There is another reference to a Mary Ann Smith, ‘known to Salford Police’ in September 1899 - stealing from a shop.

It is not an uncommon name though as Carole pointed out.

[CaroleW]

Where and when was the marriage between John Smith & Mary Ann Cain?

What were the names & birthyears of the 2 children you say were taken from her pre 1891?

[Ruth1973]

yes we were told through the family that the real mother had to give the children up, there are rumours of prison but no proof.

[Ruth1973]

I cannot find the marriage but the baptism record shows and matches the birth of one of the daughtes Rose, and the address on the baptism of the other daughter Florence has an address mentioned in the family bible!

Her daughters are Florence (often called Florrie) born 25th AUG 1887 and Rose Ann was born 6 APRIL 1891, both in Salford.

I know where the two girls are from 1901.
Its the mother I have little info on,