Scamp/Williams Family in Wales

[Talacharn]

Pembrey again.
I have not found Dona Evans yet, but there is a more distant strand with Evans/Lovell mixes in and around Brecon.
Eric Trudgill suggests ‘?Richard Evans b.c.1844 x Spizianna Boswell = Peanna Boswell b. Aberavon Glamorgan 8/5/1866 d/o Spisane’.
The only child offered on the oral tree for 5. Shandra Scamp sp. Dona Lovel is 6. Lena Scamp. Considering some of the other spellings that will be Selina.

Thanks Osprey for your help. The births found are adding dates to the list and creating a sense of order. I am actually a Williams and wondering if the family were originally Scamps. My grandfather and g-grandfather were hawkers mainly of fish, but my g-grandfather also had a lemonade making machine. When my g-grandfather died my g-grandmother married Edwin Evans after Catherine had died. Also, his son Aran married her daughter Martha-Jane. My ggg-grandfather was John Williams, who I know nothing about other than he was a labourer. There is a John Scamp, who I also know nothing about. I suspect, there were more links to traveller families than the Evans pair.

[osprey]

ooh, I saw a Peanna earlier

birth reg Peanna Boswell jun qtr 1866 Neath vol 11a pg 504 no maiden name

Also came across a couple of Lovells who may be of interest
birth reg Chesidine Lovell jun qtr 1863 Pontypool mmn Scamp
burial  Llandaff 13 Sept 1864 Chisadine Lovell age 1 Canton

birth reg Frank Lovell march qtr 1866 Merthyr Tydfil mmn Scamps
Haven't found Frank later on as yet.

[Talacharn]

St Luke Parish Register . Pontnewynydd . Monmouthshire . 645 . 12 Apr 1863 . Cheseldine Lovell . Female . Father: Frank Lovell . Basket Maker . Mother: Ocean . Abode: Cwmnantddu

Added: Christening: Ocean Camp . Female . 26 Mar 1797 . Saint Andrew, Enfield, London . Mother: Christien Camp . Digital Folder: 008041031 . Microfilm: 585400. Probably not as she would be 66.

[Talacharn]

From the oral list, Samuel Scamp was born before Nelson in 1829. One child had parents Samuel and Bennah, then in 1863 Samuel and Piana Williams. The Peana found, was born in 1866, after those 2 baptisms. There must be an earlier Peana/Bennah.

[osprey]

this might be the family of Frank Lovell in 1881, although the wife is named Elizabeth.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-YYY8

birth reg of Cornelius in 1878 gives mmn as Lovell.

[Talacharn]

Thanks, The others seem right, so a second wife, or using a different name.
For John, the only Newport registration has mmn Clark. Even other places they could have travelled to, there is no mmn Lovell. For Mary J, I could not find a registration. Only Cornelius is accurate.

[osprey]

Just checking Lovell baptisms and spotted this in Ystradyfodwg
22 Oct 1876 Trinity son of William Smith, tinman, and Spizenny of Pentre
same day as another Chisadine son of Hezekiah, basket maker, and Isavia(?) Lovell of Pentre

[Talacharn]

I think this might be Peanna/Bennah:
Baptism: Piana Picot Boswell . Female . 23 Jan 1825 . Bottesford, Lincolnshire . 
Father: Thomas Boswell . Mother: Hetty Boswell . Digital Folder: 007566504 . Microfilm: 001450414 . Image: 00947
Born the same year as Samuel Scamp/Williams. It seems a name that repeated within the Boswell family.

[Talacharn]

Regarding the previous post ‘Frank Lovell in 1881, although the wife is named Elizabeth.’  On Romany Genes there is a passenger list for the ship the Pembroke 22nd June 1874
Frank Lovell 43 born Cardiff, Wales
Elizabeth Lovell born abt 1834  Cardiff, Wales     
Edingel Lovell age 24 female abt 1850  Cardiff, Wales         
Lewellyn Lovell  abt 1851  Cardiff, Wales       
Sophia Lovell age 22 born abt 1852  Cardiff, Wales       
Fyence Lovell  born  Cardiff, Wales       
Mary Jane Lovell  born   Cardiff, Wales       
John Lovell  born   Cardiff, Wales     
They went to America and returned.