Scamp/Williams Family in Wales

[Talacharn]

Thanks Osprey, I am aware of that birth and death, but who are Samuel and Bennah? Are they the parents of Samson, who claims to have been born a year later about 20 miles away? On the oral list, there are 3 Sam/Samuels and one could be a brother of Nelson.
Added: On the Oral list, there is; 4. Sam Scamp sp. Tianna ? Could Bennah be Tianna. Many on that list are spelt differently to the records found. There are a couple of newspaper articles that say Samuel Williams was a travelling gipsy camping a little north of Carmarthen, in court for having a fire too close to the road.

[osprey]

trying to find other records for the couple...

Baptism in Llangynwyd 7 May 1857 Shanros, born 2 April, son of Samuel, basket maker & gipsy, & Piana Williams
Haven't spotted this child later as yet. 

1881 census for Samson gives his place of birth as Cwmavon, not far from Maesteg & Llangynwyd.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-FKTJ

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/MichaelstonSuperAvon/Cwmavon

There's this Nelson Williams in tents in 1881, same page as your Edwin & Subi Evans & children.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-JJ1M

[Talacharn]

Thanks, I had not found Shandros. On the oral tree there is 5. Shandra Scamp sp. Dona Lovel. And seems to link with 4. Sam Scamp sp. Tianna ? It would help if I could make sense of the tree.
As for Nelson in 1881, it says he is 60, which ties in with him being 80 when he died.
Is Piana a Boswell? I am thinking I have seen it somewhere, probably on RootsChat.

[osprey]

couple more baptisms
30 May 1852 Glyntawe, Breconshire Celena dau of Samuel, travelling hawker, & Piana Williams, Blaen Mill

12 July 1863 Panteg, Mon Ashala dau of Samuel, traveller, & Piana Williams of Glasgoed
Birth reg Ashella Williams sept qtr 1863 Pontypool vol 11a pg 117 mmn Boswell
Burial 10 Oct 1872 Aberavon Ashella Williams 7 Aberavon

 

[Talacharn]

I don’t know how to quote a thread section, but this is from: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=332370.msg6836161#msg6836161
The issue seems to be briefly discussed by Karen Fitzgerald.

‘This tells of the Lee family and that Tom Lee married Selina Scamp. Ok, so in the 1881 Census for Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales, they are listed as living with her parents Samuel Williams and Mary.  In Breconshire, Wales baptisma, 30 May 1852 is Celena Williams daughter of Samuel Williams and Piana Williams.’

I had just found it when you posted. Interesting though, as it talks of Scamp family names, then influencing names within the Lee family.

[osprey]

1891 census
St Dogmells, Pembs RG12/4544 folio 7 pg 7
Shanders Camp head mar 33 basket maker b. Swansea
Dona wife 30 b. Brec, Talybont
Elizth Lovely grandmother widow 77 b. Herefordshire? - the surname could be Lovell.

Possible burial for Shanros, address The Van, Derwydd, Burry Port
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCLX-CC3

Birth reg Shandress Williams jun qtr 1857 Swansea vol 11a pg 529 mmn Boswell

Marriage reg ? Shandras Campkin sept qtr 1885 Carmarthen with Mary Griffiths & Hannorah Evans on the same page   

[Talacharn]

Burry Port makes sense as it was a favourite spot for traveller families. The church has many traveller graves and many more without a headstone. I know Edwin's son Daniel and his wife Catherine are there. Edwin and Subie are in Swansea. There were churches they liked, where they as travellers would be welcomed.
Donna was a Lovell. I am not sure about the marriage.

[osprey]

this possible birth?

Dona Evans sept qtr 1860 Brecknock vol 11a pg 101 mmn Lovell

Baptism in Llangunnor, Carms 29 July 1860 Donna born 10 July daughter of John, basket maker, & Sarah Lovell.

Burial Pembrey 16 Feb 1939 Dona Camp 77 Living Van near Ashburnham Works, Burry Port

1871 census 40 Bethesda Street Merthyr Tydfil RG10/5401 folio 65 pg 2
William Lovell head mar 56 grinder b. Exeter
Elizabeth wife 60 b. Pontypool
Lewis son unmar 30 basket maker b. Gloucester
Adolphus son 15 basket maker b. Darlaston, Staffs
Dona dau 9 b. Brecon
Sarack son 8 b. Tredegar
Tranity son 6 b. Talybont, Brec
Sarah wife mar 28 b. Newent, Glos

the Lovells in a tent in 1861, next to another family headed by Edecia (?) Lovell
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7BT-2ZH
Elizabeth's age looks more like 46 on the census, place of birth America ??

[osprey]

baptism Pembrey 1 Jan 1893 Selina dau of Shanders, basket maker, & Donna Camp address gipsy's tent
birth reg Selina Camp dec qtr 1892 Carmarthen vol 11a pg 1051 mmn Lovell

1911 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXQ-5B3

School admission for Walter Camp born 1 May 1899 to Twynyrodyn School gives previous school as Llanelli.
Selina's admission 1903 in Tredegar gives dob 9 July 1893, father John on both records.