1851 Derbyshire Census - query revisited after 14 yrs and still stumped!

[chris_1]

Hi Everyone,
I would be grateful for a look up in 1851 Derbyshire Census for a family , who were living in Stoney Middleton in 1853 when 2nd daughter Roseanna (Rosina) was born.

Their details are :
   
Thomas Hamson      b 1816 Bolton? Lancashire - later census occupation, silk weaver.
Ann Hamson ( wife)  b 1814 Nantwich, Cheshire 
Emma Hamson daug b 1850 Derbyshire

I have been unable to progress any further back with this family than the 1861 census, when they were living in Spout Street, Leek, Staffordshire. The name is difficult, and may be transcribed as Hampson or similar.

I cannot find them in 1851 Census of Macclesfield, Cheshire ( maybe it has not yet been transcribed) Their son Thomas was b 1847 in Macclesfield. I cannot find them in the 1851 Leek Census. Thomas junior was still in Leek in 1871 with wife Ellen and family.
Thomas junior’s son, also Thomas, was born in Leek in 1874 and subsequently ended up in Collyhurst, Manchester, Lancashire where he married my grandmother.

So from Lancashire to Derbyshire, Cheshire, Staffordshire and back to Lancashire I am stumped after many years of searching. 

Chris

[tonepad]

This family has been transcribed as Harrison, but looking at the original could be Hamson:

On familysearch
Emma Harrison
England and Wales Census, 1851

Event Type:   
Census
Name:   
Emma Harrison
Sex:   
Female
Age:   
0
Event Date:   
1851
Event Place:   
St Werburghs, Derbyshire, England
Registration District:   
Derby
Birth Year (Estimated):   
1851
Birthplace:   
St Peter, Derbyshire
Marital Status:   
Unmarried
Occupation:   
At Home
Relationship to Head of Household:   
Daughter
Page Number:   
6
Piece/Folio:   
2143 / 776
Registration Number:   
HO107
Household   Role   Sex   Age   Birthplace
Thomas Harrison   Head   Male   25   St Marys, Staffordshire   silk weaver
Ann Harrison   Wife   Female   34   St Marys, Staffordshire
Sarah Harrison   Daughter   Female   12   St Marys, Staffordshire
Thomas Harrison   Son   Male   4   St Marys, Staffordshire
Emma Harrison   Daughter   Female   0   St Peter, Derbyshire


Tony

[DCB]

Emma's birth on GRO:-

HAMSON, EMMA mmn MILLER (same as Rosina)
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in DERBY UNION Volume 19 Page 531

David

[DCB]

Thomas and Ann appear to have had a previous daughter named Emma;-

Emma Hampson, daughter of Thomas, a silk weaver, and Ann (MMN Miller) baptised on 9th February 1849 at Loughborough, All Saints. Abode: Sparrow Hill.
Her death was registered in Derby in 1849.

David

[Kay99]

Could this be Ann and daughter Sarah in 1841 pre marriage to Thomas??  Living at Friar Street, St Mary, Stafford and all born Staffordshire

William   Millar   30   Currier
Ann   Millar   30   
William   Millar  10
John   Millar 10   
Robert   Millar 5
Sarah   Millar   2


Sorry forget this -  the family appear to be together in 1851
Kay

[chris_1]

Hi Tony, David and Kay,
Thank you for your help in looking up the Hamson family. I have been trying to sort out all the possibilities that the family maybe transcribed as ‘Harrison’ as discovered by Tony.

The issue I have with this family is that they all seem to have been born in Stafford,  except Emma which is correct as Derby. I know that young Thomas was born in Macclesfield (see Leek census1861-1891) The age of Thomas senior seems a bit off at 25 yrs old, when daughter Sarah is 12 ? Unless she was from a former marriage if Ann’s. I did not know that Ann’s maiden name was Miller, so that is something new. But this could be her first marriage name. She is recorded as being born in Nantwich, Cheshire.

I have found other possible children for the couple in Leek. Eli b 1855, Jane b 1857, Frances b 1859, and Mary Jane b 1862. Eli, Frances and Jane all died in 1859!

I still have a lot of unanswered questions, and I am finding it too tricky to sort out at the moment 🤔

Thanks a lot everyone for your efforts.
Chris

[spendlove]

Hi Chris-1

You say “ who were living in Stoney Middleton in 1853 when 2nd daughter Roseanna (Rosina) was born”

Appreciate that the 1861 Census Leek, Staffs indicates that Rosina was born Derbyshire, Middleton,
however her birth was registered Oldham March q 8d 545. The mother Miller, which appears strange if actually born Derbyshire.

Middleton Derbyshire, if born there, could be Stoney Middleton or Middleton by Wirksworth.

There is a Middleton in the Oldham Registration District, so likely that in the 1861 census the enumerator just dittoed  Derbyshire from the entry of Emma, which appears above.

Spendlove

[heywood]

Lancashire BMD has the birth registered as Harrison.
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/birthsearch.php

[spendlove]

Hi Chris-1

There was another child born 1862 Leek , March Q O6B 231 (mothers name Miller)

Mary Jane Hamson

They are in Leek 1871 Census
RG10/2882 folio 68 pg 12

Ann Hamson widow b 1819  no occupation. Born Preston, Lancs
Mary Jane dau b 1862   Leek staffs
+ 2 lodgers.

From image of Leek Parish Church marriages per FindMyPast
1st August 1885

Mary Jane age 23 living Court Four Compton, spinster Father Thomas Hamson, Silk weaver
Robert Ball age 26  living New Street, bachelor, silk picker, Father Edward Ball, Silk Twister.

24 October 1870 Leek Parish Church per FindMyPast
Rosena aged 20, spinster, living St Edward Street, Father Thomas Hamson, Weaver
William Heapy, 24, Bachelor, servant, living St Edward Street, Father William Heapy, Mason.

The witnesses to this marriage were Thomas Hamson and Emma Hamson.

Spendlove