George and Rachel King, Plymouth

[odbsmith]

Has anyone else found a problem with the info they find on a Census. My niggle is the 1911. My great grandparents say they had 13 children on their census return. 6 children alive and 7 dead at the time of the census. My grand mother did say many years ago that she was the youngest of 13. I can only find a total of 11 children.

Over several years I have returned to this and checked periodically. This weekend I have checked on Ancestry, Find my Past, Family search and GRO for any births I may have missed.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

[PaulineJ]

Start by relating the 1911 in full, and the list of all known kids from the GRO index.
is this the 1911? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW96-W7K

name, year, place MMN, etc.

Pauline

[Priscilla]

Perhaps sadly they had some stillbirths.

[CaroleW]

Column 7 of the 1911 asks for “Total children born alive”. The “Born Alive” is in bold print

[odbsmith]

13 born alive, 6 still living and 7 that have died.
I can only find Births for 11.
Yes, I can see your point reference still births, but thinking about it if a baby dies soon after birth it would technically not be stillborn but is there a chance the parents not registered the birth??
 Saying that, 4 of the births/deaths that they did register the child was 3 to 6 months old. The 5th one that was not alive at the 1911 census was their first child born 1874, died 1899 aged 24.

I have checked all the births I have at GRO, and even searched the years 1870 to 1897, 2 years at a time, male and female, and searched all other obvious avenues (About 5 times over the past 15 years)   

[PaulineJ]

Again,provide the list of GRO entries.
Maybe someone here can spot an error / omission

[Brentor boy]

Possibly children born before marriage and registered in mother's maiden name?

[odbsmith]

Birth   KING, THOMAS  JAMES     JOHNS 
GRO Reference: 1874  D Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 256
Death   KING, THOMAS       24 
GRO Reference: 1899  S Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 145

Birth             KING, GEORGE       JOHNS 
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 24
Death        KING, GEORGE       0 
GRO Reference: 1880  M Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 216

Birth   KING, FREDERICK  JOHN     JOHNS 
GRO Reference: 1884  D Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 250
Death      KING, FREDERICK  JOHN     0 
GRO Reference: 1885  M Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 181

Birth    KING, WILLIAM  HENRY               JOHNS 
GRO Reference: 1891  J Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 267
Death    KING, WILLIAM  HENRY     0 
GRO Reference: 1891  S Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 156

   Birth     KING, WILLIAM  HENRY     JOHNS 
GRO Reference: 1893  M Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 239
Death            KING, WILLIAM  HENRY     1 
GRO Reference: 1894  M Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 242
                 ******************************************************************************       
            KING, HARRIET  ELLEN     JOHNS 
GRO Reference: 1898  M Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 206
Died 1989

   KING, EMMA  ANN     JOHNS 
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 250
Died    1986

KING, FREDERICK  JOHN       JOHNS 
GRO Reference: 1886  J Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 250
Died    1955
   KING, FLORENCE  MABEL     JOHNS 
GRO Reference: 1883  M Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 264
Died    1919

Birth           KING, GEORGE       JOHNS 
GRO Reference: 1881  M Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 250
Died    1916

Birth   KING, WILLIAM  JAMES JOHN    JOHNS 
GRO Reference: 1877  D Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 263
Died    1946

[odbsmith]

Unlikley she had children before marriage as she was 16  when wed in 1873, but i did a quick check back to 1870.