Anti-vaxxers' arguments

[Maiden Stone]

Elaborate, please?
Dissect my comment, word for word, what is in there that is 'deplorable'?

Maybe the link you included in your reply #33?

The following statement was made on behalf of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial Museum in July 2021.
"Instrumentalization of the tragedy of all people who, between 1933-45 suffered, were humiliated, tortured and murdered by the hateful totalitarian regime of Nazi Germany to argue against vaccination that saves human lives is a sad symptom of moral and intellectual decline."
A similar comment was made by a spokesperson of the museum in August 2019 as a response to an anti-vaccination rally targeted at Jewish-Americans. A public health emergency in New York City had been declared on account of a measles epidemic.

[Maiden Stone]

Withdraw NHS cover for those who will not get the vaccine. Why should stupidity cost the country.


Malky

Because that would be a slippery slope as almost everyone can be considered to take risks with their health.   

Injured skiers, sledgers and snowboarders fall into that category! (Sorry, I can never resist a pun.  )
Comedian Dr. Phil is currently on radio.

[Forguette]

Firstly, this link should allay any questions on the FACT that this IS a medical trial.

https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk

Secondly, the link I posted previously,
Very much relevant to medical trials being forced upon human subjects.
Here it is again.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(04)17619-8/fulltext
Is from THE LANCET.
Lastly, you attempt to tarnish the validity of these MEDICAL AUTHORITY links, with an unreferenced, anonymous quote from a museum spokesperson.
If anyone fails, or ignorantly refuses to see the correlation between history and today, then we are on the road to repeating it.

[Maiden Stone]

Firstly, this link should allay any questions on the FACT that this IS a medical trial.

https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk

Trials continue as explained on the Oxford vaccine trial website in your link.
Research doesn't stop. There are still trials into influenza vaccines.
Covid vaccines in UK were given temporary Authorisation under Regulation 174 of the Human Medicine Regulations 2012 (amended).
 Emergency Use Authorization by the FDA in U.S.A.
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained
There are clinical trials and real world trials for vaccines.

"How well do COVID vaccines work in the real world?" "The Conversation" 1st July 2021.
https://theconversation.com/how-well-do-covid-vaccines-work-in-the-real-world-162926
"The Conversation" is a reputable website. It's been given 100% score by "NewsGuard" for adherence to journalistic standards of credibility and transparency.

[Maiden Stone]

Secondly, the link I posted previously.
Is from THE LANCET.
Lastly, you attempt to tarnish the validity of these MEDICAL AUTHORITY links, with an unreferenced, anonymous quote from a museum spokesperson.

"The Lancet" article is from 2004.
The only part of it which is relevant to the current debate is the final paragraph which references the Helsinki Declaration. It would have been more appropriate and certainly less inflammatory if you had quoted or posted a link to the Helsinki Declaration.
I didn't question the accuracy of the article. I know what happened in camps and hospitals under the Nazi regime. I was criticising the linking of vaccines to Nazis. This linking by anti-vaccination campaigners isn't new. It's just that it's in the news more now because of COVID. I quoted the reaction of Auschwitz Memorial Museum to a similar linking because s/he put it better than I would have done.
 The Auschwitz museum comment was reported in "Jewish Telegraphic Agency" 12th July 2021 and
"Times of Israel" 13th July 2021.
Such linkage is hurtful. It may also be harmful. Health workers have suffered abuse during the pandemic on account of unsubstantiated accusations. 

[BushInn1746]

I have deleted the comment, but leave the link about statistics ...

UK Gov
Page 23 of Technical Briefing 21 (pdf version)
Delta numbers with / without vaccination

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201

[Nanna52]

Don’t know about the UK BushInn, but in Victoria our updates include vaccination status.  So far no one in ICU have been double jabbed.

[a chesters]

In NSW we have had one (1) "elderly" person with both vaccinations die as a result of Covid

The majority of those on ventilators have had no vaccinations, and a few have had 1 only.

OH and I did not ask about getting vaccinated, our GP centre rang us with an appointment to get the first one, and the nurse who administered it organised the second. We are now fully vaccinated, and have the appropriate information in my wallet.

[pharmaT]

Firstly, this link should allay any questions on the FACT that this IS a medical trial.

https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk

Secondly, the link I posted previously,
Very much relevant to medical trials being forced upon human subjects.
Here it is again.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(04)17619-8/fulltext
Is from THE LANCET.
Lastly, you attempt to tarnish the validity of these MEDICAL AUTHORITY links, with an unreferenced, anonymous quote from a museum spokesperson.
If anyone fails, or ignorantly refuses to see the correlation between history and today, then we are on the road to repeating it.

It is not a fact that this is a trial vaccine, the fact is that there are ongoing trials into the vaccine.  These are not the same things.  The vaccine has met all the testing criteria to be an approved  to the same standard as any other product.  Firstly in use monitoring occurs with absolutely every newly released product.  Secondly when a product receives it's license that license specifies the patient group, the dosage and indications that product can be used under license (any other use would be termed 'off label'.  Once a product has received it's license it is very common for the manufacturer to carry out further testing, more trials so to speak to be able to update guidelines in future and more importantly to hopefully extend the licensing criteria which has profit implications for them.  There are therefore people signed up as trial subjects, some only in retrospective studies (ie have received a dose in accordance with the current licence). Currently trials are looking at extending the patient groups who can be included in the licence and the need for/safety of boosters.  Absolutley NONE of this means people are receiving a trial medication.