Fred Outram Hartley 1908-1981

[mckha489]

Oh. So his obituary is the one I thought was the wrong one in reply #15?

https://notices.nzherald.co.nz/obituaries/nzherald-nz/obituary.aspx?n=bruce-anthony-webb&pid=152387493&referrer=2865


Who only died in 2011
Who cannot therefore be the one whose Will left everything to his sister Pamela. Also linked in reply #15



There are two Bruce Anthony Webb’s in the death register of very similar birth dates.
The 2011 death gives a birth date which is now more than 100 years ago and he does not show on the birth indexes as he would if born in NZ.  Although off to check that again,


Registration Number   Family Name   Given Name(s)   Date of Birth/Age at Death   
1968/42335   Webb   Bruce Anthony   46y
2011/15798   Webb   Bruce Anthony   23 July 1921

Added.  No Webb births between 22 July 1921 and 24 July 1921

[mckha489]

Think this could be the  birth of Bruce Anthony the son of Kathleen Hartley. October 28th 1921 (which fits with the date of their wedding)

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19211101.2.2.1?end_date=31-12-1922&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=R.+H.+Webb&snippet=true&start_date=21-07-1921

[mckha489]

Do you have the 1946 marriage certificate?

Married in England.  He is of Birmingham

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ESD19460520.2.26?items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=Bruce+Anthony+webb&snippet=true

[minniehaha]

His Cenotaph record:

https://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/142542?n=bruce+anthony+webb&from=%2Fwar-memorial%2Fonline-cenotaph%2Fsearch&ordinal=0


Minniehaha.

[mckha489]

Is this the birth in UK perhaps?

WEBB, BRUCE  ANTHONY     MMN GREGORY 
GRO Reference: 1921  S Quarter in HAMPSTEAD  Volume 01A  Page 987

If so, looks like a brother Hedley John WEBB born 1923.

[mckha489]

His Cenotaph record:

https://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/142542?n=bruce+anthony+webb&from=%2Fwar-memorial%2Fonline-cenotaph%2Fsearch&ordinal=0


Minniehaha.

This is of course the son of Kathleen who died 1968
The other one was in the R.N.V.R. See London Gazette 3 March 1944   Posting to Ty Lieut.

[mckha489]

Hope Ankerpep confirms which is the correct family as the Dudleys look very interesting too

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19390404.2.10.3?items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=Natalie+Dudley+&snippet=true

[ankerpep_52]

Do you have the 1946 marriage certificate?

Married in England.  He is of Birmingham

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ESD19460520.2.26?items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=Bruce+Anthony+webb&snippet=true

Marriage in England-is the wong person, I don't have the marriage cert but the parents always lived in Christchurch NZ and also his sister Pamela.  I have deleted the england marriage and the children from my records and will have to rethink this family.  Janet

[ankerpep_52]

Thank you for all the research sites-very interesting and did obtain some information that I did not have.  This is definitely the correct family...You have access to may records that I dod not know how to reserch so appreciate your efforts. Janet