Article check volume 4 of Cronicl (1982)

[gemmanoon]

In 1982 E.R. Morris published an article called "Notes on some Montgomeryshire Surnames" that was published in the Cronicl. It is quoted in a couple of places as evidence that the Savage family who lived around Trefeglwys and Llanidloes are possibly related to the Cheshire Savages of Rocksavage as a cadet branch.

If anyone has access to the early issues of the Cronicl, could you just let me know whether Morris has evidence to back up this claim, or if it is just a hypothetical that they raised? I haven't been able to locate a copy of the article online, but I just need a heads up as to whether it's worth the effort to access an original.

Thank you!

[Br1gau]

Hello,

I can’t answer your question directly and you may already have this?  The existence of Rock Savage, born Trefeglwys ~ 1689 does hint at a connection.  His father was Edward Savage:
https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Rock_Savage_(1)

Original Will at:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qrg/

brigau

[gemmanoon]

Hi Br1gau,

Thank you so much for taking a look! Yup, Rock is one of my ancestors as is his wife twice over (their siblings are on my direct line but the family tree gets complicated in this period). His name seems to be taken as evidence that the family is somehow linked to the Savages of Cheshire and thus Earl Rivers, but I can't find any evidence to prove it.

Rock's great-grandfather makes reference to land purchased "by his father" in his own will (Edward Savage, d 1653), but as you can see, that's at least four generations between the naming of Rock and the family appearing in Montgomeryshire. It is possible that Edward Savage's father was (one of the two) Sir John Savage and that he was illegitimate, but so far I've not got anything conclusive to that effect. I'm working my way through their wills now but it is slow going, to say the least. I

I guess I am hoping that E R Morris says something in the article that indicates whether the Wills have information (it is taking me a long time to get through them!) or if the original land purchase deeds exist somewhere. Any hint would be glorious right now, as I'm limited to internet research for the foreseeable.

[Br1gau]

Where did you find the reference to issue 4 of The Cronicl?  Surprisingly the NLW’s earliest issue is number 10.  Can’t see much else in their catalogue, apart from “Montgomery Pedigrees & c.” by Richard Bennett.  Mentioned amongst others are Savage of Trefeglwys and Llanwnnog but no dates given.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qrh/

The NLW Tithe Maps ~ 1845 – 1850 (I think!) show  Edward Savage as occupier of land at Bodaioch, around 80 acres in all, to the east of the village of Trefeglwys. The owner was Evan Woosnam.  There is a later ref to Edward Savage taking a 1,000 yr lease on 12 acres of Bodaioch.  Owner at that time was Watkin Williams Wynn.  From the same source, William Savage was lessee at Pen y borfa, Llanwnnog / Caersws, Owner Sir John Dashwood, bart.  William also rented two houses and gardens in Caersws owned by Thomas Kinsey.
https://places.library.wales/

[gemmanoon]

A book on Welsh surnames.

Thanks for that information, I think my best bet is going to be to reach out to the authors.

Thanks for that additional info, I hadn't actually thought to look at the later Savages as my direct line to them ends in the late 17th century, but you've given me an idea about an alternative path to try. The Savages, according to their wills, owned land in Bodaioch from at least 1653, and the Woosnams were big fish in that area for quite some time I believe, so maybe if I go through the Woosnam's records I might find a reference to it. It's on the edge of the Park estates as well I believe, so another look over the University College holdings might be in order, as well as looking into the Herbert's papers, and possibly the Vaughns.

Thanks so much! Even if I don't find the article I'm looking for, I've got a few more places to hunt through for information now, so your help is very much appreciated!