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Re: Pitt brothers William and Thomas
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 17 July 21 05:05 BST (UK) »
That's ok Casey, I'm often reminded I should check the "search" button on RootsChat!

Whilst there is no luck finding your man so far, at least the research pretty much tallies.  :)

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Re: Pitt brothers William and Thomas
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 17 July 21 05:20 BST (UK) »
So, it seems many people have tried, without success, to find this family in the UK over many years.
If William was doing so well in the theatre business in England, why leave to go to Australia?
It makes one think, that he did not want to be found. Maybe the name wasn’t Pitt at all. I wonder if they were running way from the husband of Jane Huggon, or some other kind of trouble.
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Re: Pitt brothers William and Thomas
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 17 July 21 06:57 BST (UK) »

Hi Casey
It seems William and Jane were never married, in his will, he refers to Jane Dixon|Huggon.
William was also an artist of many paintings catalogued in Melbourne.
His brother Thomas wasn’t as successful as William and his son William.
Thomas went the gold mines up near Ballarat to Clunes.
He died 39th October 1869 as a result of an accident, he was thrown from a sulky, managed to get back to his residence, McCullullochs Tourello Hotel, went to bed and was found dead in his bed the next morning by the hotel owner, an inquest was held on his death and was found to have died of apoplexy.
He was buried at Clunes cemetery in an area where strangers were buried with others in a paupers grave.
His brother William declined to claim his body, why I don’t know as he was an influential person as his son was in Melbourne.
William Pitt is my GG Grandfather, Thomas GG uncle.
I have original pics of them all including Jane, and their 3 surviving sons, William, Richard and Charles.








Hi Casey, This 1841 census looks promising for William, but no Thomas evident.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5905d4a9e9379091b1907291/william-pitt-1841-warwickshire-birmingham-1819-?locale=en
That same family in the next census

1851 census Birmingham (St Paul)
William Pitt, Head 64 born Birmingham, widower, gent formerly Japanner
Peter Pitt 33, born Birmingham Japanner
William Pitt 32 born Birmingham artist
Janett Pitt 26 daughter in law
Ann Shuker 16 servant

Possible wife for William Pitt senior is Elizabeth Grove – marriage 13 Sep 1816 Birmingham. He was a widower on this marriage, she was a spinster; both bride and groom of St Martin Parish Birmingham

There is a baptism for their son William 30 Dec 1818 St Phillip Birmingham (born 9 Dec 1818)

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Re: Pitt brothers William and Thomas
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 17 July 21 07:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Casey
It seems William and Jane were never married, in his will, he refers to Jane Dixon|Huggon.
William was also an artist of many paintings catalogued in Melbourne.
His brother Thomas wasn’t as successful as William and his son William.
Thomas went the gold mines up near Ballarat to Clunes.
He died 39th October 1869 as a result of an accident, he was thrown from a sulky, managed to get back to his residence, McCullullochs Tourello Hotel, went to bed and was found dead in his bed the next morning by the hotel owner, an inquest was held on his death and was found to have died of apoplexy.
He was buried at Clunes cemetery in an area where strangers were buried with others in a paupers grave.
His brother William declined to claim his body, why I don’t know as he was an influential person as his son was in Melbourne.
William Pitt is my GG Grandfather, Thomas GG uncle.
I have original pics of them all including Jane, and their 3 surviving sons, William, Richard and Charles.








So, it seems many people have tried, without success, to find this family in the UK over many years.
If William was doing so well in the theatre business in England, why leave to go to Australia?
It makes one think, they he did not want to be found. Maybe the name wasn’t Pitt at all. I wonder if they were running way from the husband of Jane Huggon, or some other kind of trouble.


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Re: Pitt brothers William and Thomas
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 17 July 21 10:48 BST (UK) »
Hello ttip and welcome to RootsChat!

I'm sure Casey will be along soon and will be very pleased to make contact with you.

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Re: Pitt brothers William and Thomas
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 17 July 21 10:56 BST (UK) »
Article from The Herald 1 Nov 1869 about Thomas PITT ("old Pitt the painter")
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article244912233

What a sad ending.

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« Reply #33 on: Saturday 17 July 21 11:27 BST (UK) »
Yes it was
I have had a plaque made and installed at Clunes cemetery memorial wall


quote author=maddys52 link=topic=850926.msg7186774#msg7186774 date=1626515789]
Article from The Herald 1 Nov 1869 about Thomas PITT ("old Pitt the painter")
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article244912233

What a sad ending.
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Re: Pitt brothers William and Thomas
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 17 July 21 11:28 BST (UK) »
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/179191971/thomas-pitt



quote author=ttip link=topic=850926.msg7186791#msg7186791 date=1626517642]
Yes it was
I have had a plaque made and installed at Clunes cemetery memorial wall


quote author=maddys52 link=topic=850926.msg7186774#msg7186774 date=1626515789]
Article from The Herald 1 Nov 1869 about Thomas PITT ("old Pitt the painter")
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article244912233

What a sad ending.
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Re: Pitt brothers William and Thomas
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 18 July 21 00:53 BST (UK) »
Many thanks maddys52  and other members of Roots Chat for all your help in the search for the Pitt brothers, ttip and I are know to each other and have corresponded. I appreciate all your time and  help on both threads of this topic, we will forge on with our quest to discover these brothers Pitt before they came to Australia and hopefully one day something will appear for us. Roots Chat is indeed an amazing help. Cheers Kay
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