Pitt brothers William and Thomas

[Casey]

Searching for the Births or Census details of Thomas Pitt bc 1820 and his brother William Pitt bc 1822.
They immigrated to Victoria, Australia in 1853, sailing from Glasgow with Williams defacto wife Jane Huggon (nee Dixon) who was born in 1830 at Sunderland, Durham. I have found Jane in the 1851 Census as a Daughter, Servant, Married in her Mothers Inn at Low Street, Sutherland. I can find no trace of the two Pitt brothers in Durham or elsewhere in England. Williams death certificate in Victoria, Australia states his father as William and his biography states he and Jane were both from Sunderland, Durham. They all died in Victoria, Australia. William Pitt was an Artist, painting theatrical backdrops.

[Neale1961]

Hi Casey, This 1841 census looks promising for William, but no Thomas evident.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5905d4a9e9379091b1907291/william-pitt-1841-warwickshire-birmingham-1819-?locale=en

[Casey]

Many thanks will follow that trail Cheers

[maddys52]

I found this one in 1855 that also looked promising in Warwickshire:

William PITT  65 (?)   Birmingham   (Gents family japanner)
Peter              33                              (japanner)
William           32                              (artist)
Janetta (dau-in-law)  26     Worcester
Ann HUNTER (ser)   16     Drayton

HO 107/ 2059 pg33

Modified to add: looks like the same family as Neale found. Still no Thomas.

[Neale1961]

Hi Casey, This 1841 census looks promising for William, but no Thomas evident.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5905d4a9e9379091b1907291/william-pitt-1841-warwickshire-birmingham-1819-?locale=en

That same family in the next census

1851 census Birmingham (St Paul)
William Pitt, Head 64 born Birmingham, widower, gent formerly Japanner
Peter Pitt 33, born Birmingham Japanner
William Pitt 32 born Birmingham artist
Janett Pitt 26 daughter in law
Ann Shuker 16 servant

Possible wife for William Pitt senior is Elizabeth Grove – marriage 13 Sep 1816 Birmingham. He was a widower on this marriage, she was a spinster; both bride and groom of St Martin Parish Birmingham

There is a baptism for their son William 30 Dec 1818 St Phillip Birmingham (born 9 Dec 1818)

[maddys52]

Unfortunately William and Janetta are still in the UK in 1871 in Paddington.

[Neale1961]

Unfortunately William and Janetta are still in the UK in 1871 in Paddington.

Yes, and I just found
Peter Pitt, and wife Janette and William Pitt, artist, in the 1861 census in Aston Warwickshire.

[maddys52]

I'm sure you've looked through all the many mentions of William PITT on trove - this one says he was scenic artist at the London Lyceum.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article176014822 (on page 2, middle of  left hand column)

Modified to add:
For a time frame when William may have been there, the article above mentions Madame VESTRIS and her husband Charles James MATHEWS, who managed the Lyceum between 1847 and 1855.

[Casey]

Many thanks for your replies. Yes I followed the trail and found William Pitt and Janetta in London which rules my William out. Will try to see how the theatre artist in London pans out. Cheers