Searching for William Roberts HILL

[rosie99]

.. His marriage certificate is the only Australian document I can find which states his age and place of birth and the names of his parents."

Does it say he was born in Liverpool

[Laurette]

Yes it does.  34yo bachelor, born Liverpool, Lancashire.

[Neale1961]

Laurette, Have you thought of reviewing your assumption that you have the correct GRO birth certificate from 1846 - his age at marriage, and at death, give’s William’s year of birth at about 1852.
It is possible the ROBERTS (William’s second name) is the surname of his father, and that he was an illegitimate birth.
His mother may have married later to HILL, and so surnames were changed. William may not have arrived in Australia with the surname Hill.
HILL , GREEN and ROBERTS are all are rather common names to work with unfortunately.

There are a couple of births where no mother’s name is recorded that might be possible avenues of investigation:

ROBERTS, WILLIAM       - 
GRO Reference: 1851  D Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 269

ROBERTS, WILLIAM       - 
GRO Reference: 1849  J Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 379

[Laurette]

I have wondered about the name "Roberts" and thank you for this information.  I'll do some research and will get back to you.

Thanks again.

[Dundee]

'Roberts' was the middle name of the child born in 1846, Laurette's ancestor used just 'Robert'.

Laurette, Have you thought of reviewing your assumption that you have the correct GRO birth certificate from 1846 - his age at marriage, and at death, give’s William’s year of birth at about 1852.

Names and occupations do not match either.

Debra 

[Laurette]

I haven't had any luck with William Roberts so far.

I did look back into my records and found on the 1851 Census a William Hill living with his grandparents Charles Palmer SMITH and Ann SMITH at Chapel Croft, Oldham.  William was 7yo, a scholar, born Liverpool.  Charles was born in Liverpool and was a hatter.  They were also on the 1841 Census.  They married on 6 Sep 1819 at Liverpool and her name was Ann HILL born abt 1789 at Runcorn, Cheshire.  On "England Marriages 1538-1973" it states that both were widowed, yet on the FreeReg records it states that she was a widow.  So at the moment I'll try and find out more about her.  He died before 1861 and she died before 1871.

[rosie99]

That William Hill in 1851 would be too old for the one born c1851 and living in Australia with middle name Robert.   

I can't see why he would be giving his age as 34 when he married when he would have been a few years older and this younger age was carried on throughout his life.  I don't know if you are aware but it was not the responsibility of the child's parents to register a birth this early in registration in the UK so not all births were registered. 

[Laurette]

Going over his records, the birth of his daughters had him born c1848, his son c1852, and his marriage and death c1852. He was illiterate so I guess that could sum it up.

[rosie99]

It is also likely that he had no idea where he was born and just put Liverpool as being the first place he could remember living.