French Baptism 1637 - mother's name

[jayaygee]

"d'Andrée Jay" or rather "d'andree Jay"

A quick qurstion: is the d' at the start a part of the name? Would I include it in the tree or is it more of a way to introduce the name?

It's not part of the name but "of" :... fils naturel et légitime DE Bastien Sallaud et d' = D(E) Andrée Jay...

Regarding capital letters, they seem to be used quite randomly at the time and in line 6 the godmother's first name has a capital letter - "Jehanne" - but her surname doesn't - "mallanson".

[jayaygee]

As the child is legitimate, they must be married. "Naturel et légitime" is the usual terminology and the mother's maiden name is given which is also usual in parish records in France.  Here women don't lose their maiden name on marriage : my British passport when I had one was in the name of Judith Gaillac née Dickinson and the French on in the name of Judith Dickinson épouse Gaillac, which always struck me as a bit odd - I felt it would have been more logicial the other way round.

[jayaygee]

A bit of one of my previous posts doesn't seem to have made it to the board - no idea what I did for that to happen.

It was just to say that I think the date is 21st June "vingtungiesme" an old way of spelling "un" being "ung".

[brigidmac]

Wonderful explanations Jayagee.

Now you tell spellings it's easier to read

I like the French system that woman maintains birth identity and husband is an appendage

Similar in Scotland women often use birth surname regardless of number of marriages or widowhood

The English use of "natural " born children as being of unmarried parents is rather horrible

 I wonder if a French definition of unnatural child is the opposite ....  !

How do you know jehanne mallenson is godmother? I don't see the word "Marraine". Or was it different terminology .?

I went to France every year from age of 13 to visit penfriend and we are still close to the family. would have celebrated our 60th birthday s together but for covid.
I'm an unofficial Marraine.to her neice
Also worked in France for 14 years so some of these expressions familiar to me
JAY. doesn't sound like a very French surname Andrea would be equivalent first name .
Jehanne is an old version of Jeanne

[Daffern2020]

Yes D' is part of the name like 0' in Irish names

 I can make out a possible six
But it it's hard to make out cent trente as hundred +thirty .
Full date should read mil.six cent trente sept

..was the date given on record reference and does it fit with people you are researching .?

Yeah the date if fine, the next page is january 1638 and is written in actual numbers.

[Daffern2020]

I stupidly did not make a note on where the Bastien and Andree as the possible godparents one is and now I can't find it. I did however find this while seaching. References an Andree Jay and the child appears to be named after them. The Sallaud signature is not Bastien Sallaud's signature though. His has a capital B at the front. But it's confirmation that Andree Jay is an acutal name and could be the same woman. (5 lines down) I beleive this one is solved and I am going to go with Andree Jay. Thanks everyone.

[jayaygee]

The English use of "natural " born children as being of unmarried parents is rather horrible

 I wonder if a French definition of unnatural child is the opposite ....  !

How do you know jehanne mallenson is godmother? I don't see the word "Marraine". Or was it different terminology .?

I've never seen "unnatural" but sometimes "bâtard"! Marraine is the second word on line 6 after "et" - I'm not sure how it is spelt here though the second letter is an "e". I have seen a lot of varieties over the years, "merrine" being quite a popular one.  After that it says "honeste femme Jehanne mallanson".

I've been lucky enough to have a local paleography class here in France, but even so I find some of the other entry difficult to decipher. I can see that "marraine" is written "marine" though and "parrain" is"parin".

I agree Jay doesn't sound very French, but maybe it's common in the area.

[jayaygee]

To see if the name Jay was to be found in France, I had a quick look at Généanet and found this which may be of interest:

https://gw.geneanet.org/jerome171?lang=fr&pz=monique&nz=caillaud&p=sebastien&n=sallaud
https://gw.geneanet.org/jerome171?lang=fr&pz=monique&nz=caillaud&m=N&v=sallaud

There is also Le Geais in Loire Atlantique department.

And Filae came up with 112,000+ references for "Jay" though a lot could be repeats!

[Daffern2020]

To see if the name Jay was to be found in France, I had a quick look at Généanet and found this which may be of interest:

https://gw.geneanet.org/jerome171?lang=fr&pz=monique&nz=caillaud&p=sebastien&n=sallaud
https://gw.geneanet.org/jerome171?lang=fr&pz=monique&nz=caillaud&m=N&v=sallaud

There is also Le Geais in Loire Atlantique department.

And Filae came up with 112,000+ references for "Jay" though a lot could be repeats!

Oh wow, thats very interesting thank you. Guillaume Sallaud - his child from the baptism would go on to name his second son Sebastien. I do wonder where they got the date reference to thier marriage. The pessines records for marriages do not go that far up?