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Re: Can you help to solve an Indian mystery?
« Reply #81 on: Saturday 23 March 24 10:22 GMT (UK) »
I know there have been no posts for a long time. I only just came across this thread. Robert Smith Coombs is my Great-Great Grandfather! Though his son Charles. I have Mary Archer in my tree, but I don’t know the source. I suspect the Charles having an Indian mother is correct, as I have done an Ancestry DNA test, and do have Indian ancestry (16%, though I think through 2 grandparents), which seems consistent with an Indian ancestor around that generation.

Interested to know he kept diaries which still exist.

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Re: Can you help to solve an Indian mystery?
« Reply #82 on: Wednesday 15 May 24 00:40 BST (UK) »
I hope the op sees this and we hear more of this history

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Re: Can you help to solve an Indian mystery?
« Reply #83 on: Sunday 04 May 25 20:10 BST (UK) »
David was my father. I cannot offer any information regarding an allegation of murder, it was not something he ever alluded to.

I understand his father - Louis was a Regimental Sergeant Major, died of pneumonia and his wife subsequently remarried as you know. He did not get on with his step father and spent most of his time including the school holidays at school.  He went from boys service in the military school to man's service: His Certificate of Service shows him serving with the West Yorks regiment from 17/02/1942 - 04/08/44 and the Madras Guards 29/03/45-06/09/1946 before enlisting with the General Service Corps whilst still in India in Nov. 1947.
He was discharged from the Royal Army Ordnance Corps having being first a clerk and then an Ammunition Examiner in Jan. 1960. He left as a staff sergeant, with an Exemplary record.

He had served with the RAOC in the middle and far East, East Africa and here at home in the UK.

He married my mum, who was also serving in the Army in 1954 here in the UK, (in keeping with the then rules, my mother who was of Private rank, had to take discharge as she was marrying a Senior rank - Sgt.)  and they both went to Hong Kong before being posted back to UK sometime around 1958.  I am the middle of three children.

His discharge was the result of down sizing and re-organisation within the Army and he was upset to have to leave.

He did not find his family until many years later, when he learned his mother and sister Barbara had already passed.

He did meet with both Audrey and Elaine and also a step-sister Viv.

I believe that Dad's remembrances of his early years were at odds with Audrey's and possibly Elaine's, I know he said that they thought he had died many years before in Burma.

Sorry not to be able to throw any light on any stories of murder, but I do feel that he would not have  risen through the ranks in the Army if he had committed such an act.

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Re: Can you help to solve an Indian mystery?
« Reply #84 on: Monday 17 November 25 20:43 GMT (UK) »
Amazing what you find these days... I am also of the Robert Smith Coombs line and interested to hear you think his son Charles had an Indian mother as I recently had a DNA test which registers 9% North Indian DNA, so that's probably where it's from. Alistair


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Re: Can you help to solve an Indian mystery?
« Reply #85 on: Tuesday 18 November 25 02:36 GMT (UK) »
Update on this branch of the family:
DNA testing has confirmed what I concluded from the diaries – that Robert Smith Coombes fathered several children with a native Indian woman. This finding is further supported by your own DNA result, as you share a similar percentage of DNA linked to northern India.

I also have photographs of the family, and they clearly show Anglo-Indian heritage. By the time of our parents’ generation, however, this was far less visible, as they largely presented as white, with blue eyes and European features.

As for the diaries themselves – yes, I have them. I am considering some form of self-publication to make them available, though it would be a demanding project in terms of time and cost, and I am uncertain whether there would be a wider market for such a work. But they are very striking and full of amazing details , including the difficult conditions of the time.

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Re: Can you help to solve an Indian mystery?
« Reply #86 on: Tuesday 18 November 25 02:55 GMT (UK) »
You could scan them, upload to a self publishing site, (like Blurb)  and people who want them can then pay to download them and pay for them in the format they desire.

So cost to you would be time only.
It seems a shame if they are not shared

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Re: Can you help to solve an Indian mystery?
« Reply #87 on: Tuesday 18 November 25 10:14 GMT (UK) »
You may already have seen this, but in case not:

the Spalding Guardian of 18/8/1928

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  THE DEATH occurred at Adra, India, recently, of Regimental Sergt.- Major Louis Coley, son of Mrs. L. Coley, of London-road. Spalding. The deceased was  badly wounded in the face during the war, and was to have come home this year...
 

Apparently, although it was thought it would be better for his health to return home, he remained as a son was born.
 




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Re: Can you help to solve an Indian mystery?
« Reply #88 on: Tuesday 18 November 25 10:53 GMT (UK) »
From what I can see, earliest ancestor is William Coombes born 1700 in Woolwich or Welling. His son was Samuel Coombes. Samuel was a waterman and he took the e out of Coombes and his son, born in Woolwich, was William Coombs. Bill was a shipwright (shipbuilder, possibly at the Woolwich Dockyard) and according to a thread on here he lived at Hog Lane in Woolwich (long vanished). Bill was the father of Robert Smith Coombs who, as far as I can see, was the 1st to land in India either on an East India Company ship or Royal, possibly the former at that time.

One of Robert's children with his mystery Indian wife was Frank Smith Coombs. Frank had Wilfred Frank Coombs, and Wilfred's son was my father. I recall rumor about a 'lick of the tar brush' in the family (as it was expressed back then); my father was unusually dark for a European and passed as Indian or South American but this wasn't noticeable in his father. After Indigo Frank's line relocated to Ajmer, Rajasthan. Apparently, a ship carrying a lot of Coombs-India documents was sunk en route to UK over WWII as the Germans thought it was a military vessel, how annoying.

Look forward to seeing the photos. You should definitely make the diaries available as they'd be of interest to academic studies in colonialism.

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Re: Can you help to solve an Indian mystery?
« Reply #89 on: Tuesday 18 November 25 10:57 GMT (UK) »
Yes this is what I have found previously. The record of Robert Smith Coombs departing England is at the British Library.