How to get more on Barbary/Barbara Oliver?

[ColC]

The marriage is on SP I obviously got my dates mixed up, I have reached that age when the memory begins to fade!

WHILLANS
ROBERT
BARBARY OLIVER
25/11/1808
SOUTHDEAN AND ABBOTRULE

[hdw]

I have, Frank has so much good information! Unfortunately it is a one name study, which does not extend to the Oliver’s. Thank you for mentioning it though!

See https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Oliver_Surname_on_the_Scottish_Borde.html?id=bQQxMQAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

Colonel Winston H. Oliver was an acknowledged authority on the Oliver surname in the Borders. He lived at Blainslie, which is near Galashiels though in the parish of Melrose.

Harry

[hdw]

I note the 1780 marriage on family search, sadly it is not on https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk as far as I can see.The birth of their first child is on SP but not the others?

As mentioned there is another birth/baptism on SP, 4 miles from Southdean. There were 6 other children in the family.

BARBARA OLIVER      ADAM OLIVER/BETTY FAMILTON    18/01/1781   Jedburgh

Colin

[hdw]

I've just posted the 1808 marriage entry from Scotlandspeople. Middle of the page. Other Olivers are mentioned on the page.

Harry

[Forfarian]

I put 1780 in error should be 1808 as original post.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYQB-KP2

Ah.

[Forfarian]

Two brothers of James Hogg (1770-1835) 'the Ettrick Shepherd' married Olivers.

David Hogg married Helen Oliver in 1810 and Robert Hogg married Elizabeth Oliver in 1807. Both couples, and their children, emigrated to the United States in 1833, although Robert never arrived - he died on board the 'Romulus' en route.

The parents of Helen were Samuel Oliver and Isabel Millar. I do not know who Elizabeth's parents were. I have no evidence to suggest that they have any connection to your Barbara Oliver.

[Josephine]

See https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Oliver_Surname_on_the_Scottish_Borde.html?id=bQQxMQAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

Colonel Winston H. Oliver was an acknowledged authority on the Oliver surname in the Borders. He lived at Blainslie, which is near Galashiels though in the parish of Melrose.

Harry

I've just gone through my copy of that book and I didn't see any mention of a Barbara or Barbary Oliver.

Regards,
Josephine

[hdw]

I'm not descended from any Whillans or Oliver myself, and my closest connection to both surnames is that my great-grandmother Martha Stewart from Hawick had a sister, Jane Murray Stewart, who in 1872 married a George Whillans at Upper Samieston, Jedburgh.

George Whillans was the son of George Whillans and Mary Oliver who were married in 1833 at Camptown, Jedburgh. Mary Oliver died in 1888 and her death certificate gives her parents as Robert Oliver, joiner, and Elizabeth Robert. I haven't found a marriage for this couple. Maybe Mary Oliver was illegitimate, although the death certificate says that Robert was her mother's M.S. (maiden surname).

Harry

[trekcuber]

The 1861 census for Mary says that she was born near Edinburgh. Maybe she wasn't connected to the Roxburghshire Olivers?
Found here: https://search.ancestry.ca/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1080&h=2885638&ssrc=pt&tid=164173685&pid=372265908189&usePUB=true&_gl=1*o8vhdl*_ga*MTE1ODI3Mzk4MS4xNjQwMzA0NzQy*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*MTY3NTk1Mjg3OC40MTMuMS4xNjc1OTUzMzA3LjQxLjAuMA..*_ga_B2YGR3SSMB*Zjk2MGY3MjktYWFhMC00ZTEyLWE1Y2EtYzIyOGE3ZDUwZjcxLjU1My4xLjE2NzU5NTMzMTAuMS4wLjA.