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Re: Macabre guessing game... "a lingering illness" Newcastle 1888
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 26 June 21 18:39 BST (UK) »
Not a problem!

I assumed TB, several people in my family said "ah, when they say that, it normally means cancer" but I guess people here will have better-informed intuitions.
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Re: Macabre guessing game... "a lingering illness" Newcastle 1888
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 26 June 21 19:11 BST (UK) »
I don’t think you can guess the cause of death from what is put in the death notice. My great grandfather’s first wife death notice states she died after a, “long and severe illness”.  There are lots of things I thought that might be. I sent for the death certificate which showed that the poor lady hung herself in a Mental Hospital. Their only child had died the previous year.

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Re: Macabre guessing game... "a lingering illness" Newcastle 1888
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 26 June 21 20:26 BST (UK) »
Reasons are that it's just a bit of fun

"lingering illness" comes from the newspaper

I'm sure you meant well...but..NO,please. Not funny.

Respect Martha and do think of her life.

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Re: Macabre guessing game... "a lingering illness" Newcastle 1888
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 26 June 21 20:32 BST (UK) »
I, too, think it will have been Tuberculosis.

I have several members of my family who died from it, some after many years of suffering, spells in (publicly funded) sanatoriums, separated from their families.

Sadly I agree it won't have been funny for anyone concerned.
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Re: Macabre guessing game... "a lingering illness" Newcastle 1888
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 26 June 21 20:38 BST (UK) »
"Not funny."

Lighten up.  There is sometimes a bit of dark humor to be found in sad situations.   
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Re: Macabre guessing game... "a lingering illness" Newcastle 1888
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 26 June 21 20:50 BST (UK) »
"Not funny."

Lighten up.  There is sometimes a bit of dark humor to be found in sad situations.   

Right. Don't even ask about Uncle Louis. :o :-X ::)

My reaction was more from the OP's not even trying to find the cause of death.

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Re: Macabre guessing game... "a lingering illness" Newcastle 1888
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 26 June 21 21:34 BST (UK) »
"Not funny."

Lighten up.  There is sometimes a bit of dark humor to be found in sad situations.

I know that, Erato.
Don't need telling.
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Re: Macabre guessing game... "a lingering illness" Newcastle 1888
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 26 June 21 23:01 BST (UK) »
Maureen, thank you for your comment, which was very kindly put.
Martha's early death and that of Robert two years later had an immense impact on my family with repercussions down to this day - people still talk about it.
It's particularly thoughtful of you given that I suppose they are complete strangers to you.
Newcastle in the mid-late 19th century was expanding and industrializing very rapidly - as were many cities - and this led to many additional early deaths, whether from uncontrolled disease, poor working practices, environmental pollution, crime, mental illness, or accidents.  Those are just off the top of my head out of my limited knowledge, but I'm sure there are others here much more familiar with the period than me.  I'd be glad to get more insight into what people were going through.  The fact that we can even consider generalizing is testament to many thousands or millions of individuals alongside Martha and the awful situations they each found themselves in.
I have no problem with being lighthearted at the selfsame time as acknowledging all this but I'm sorry it must have seemed so flippant to you.
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Re: Macabre guessing game... "a lingering illness" Newcastle 1888
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 27 June 21 00:36 BST (UK) »
 :) :)

That was a very kind response.

Thank you.

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There are many death notices in June 1888 that use the words “ after a lingering illness” including that for Martha Ann Brooks wife of Robert Burns, schoolmaster in the Newcastle Daily Chronicle.She was 37 and died in Newcastle.

It could be cancer, tb, chronic bronchitis, chronic asthma only her death certificate will give more details.

I got 52 hits for “lingering illness” in June 1888 newspapers.

-Gibel or someone out there will correct me-"lingering illness"  in those reports go from a few
months/weeks to the dreaded after several years...