The mysterious Mr Marsden

[PatLac]

From FamilySearch

Event place: Gorton, Lancashire

1881 census

John Marsden, 54, head, married, b. at sea
Emma Marsden, 36, wife, married, b. Nantwich, Cheshire
Frank Marsden, 20, son, single, b. Barslem (sic), Staffordshire
Ellen Marsden, 16, daughter, single, b. Derbyshire
John J. Marsden, 3, son, single, b. Manchester, Lancashire

1891 census

John Marsden, 74, head, married, b. Staffordshire
Emma Marsden, 47, wife, married, b. Cheshire
Frank Marsden, 27, son, single, b. Staffordshire
Mary Marsden, 10, daughter, single, b. Lancashire
John Marsden, 13, son, single, b. Cheshire

Baptism record for John James Marsden

Name   John James
Father's Name   John Marsden
Mother's Name   Emma Marsden
Event Type   Christening
Event Date   7 Apr 1878
Event Place   St Clement, Longsight, Lancashire, England
Event Place (Original)   St Clement, Longsight, Lancashire, England

I can't see John Marsden's occupation, maybe someone could check it out in the original record? The fact that his children were born in different places could be related to his occupation (railway?). Some inconsistencies re birth places and ages. He could have had another son, born before Frank, who was already out of his household in 1881. I couldn't find them in the 1871 census.

[BumbleB]

Occupation given as, I think, Navvy.    Address:  10 Legh Place.

[PatLac]

Thanks BumbleB, back to square one 

[brigidmac]

My comment was aimed at effegee original poster but I see they've not been on since 2021

There may be trees on ancestry or other sites which indicate whether descendants have DNA tested

I still think most likely scenario is a single parent but tree builders tend to favour named father so it looks like everyone " knows " that John Marsden railway worker exists

[PatLac]

My comment was aimed at effegee original poster but I see they've not been on since 2021

There may be trees on ancestry or other sites which indicate whether descendants have DNA tested

I still think most likely scenario is a single parent but tree builders tend to favour named father so it looks like everyone " knows " that John Marsden railway worker exists

Of couse, sorry!

I don't have access to Ancestry. His father's name 'John Marsden' and occupation 'Railway Foreman' are stated on Arthur's marriage certificate.

[ThrelfallYorky]

Still trying to "Unnotify" this topic!
TY

[PatLac]

Arthur FARMER seems to have returned to his biological parents in 1871 (Thomas FARMER and Eliza BISHOP), so he can be eliminated from the list of potential candidates.

[CaroleW]

Re above reply - see following thread for background

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=886341.msg7595359#msg7595359

[PatLac]

Welcome to Rootschat.
For general info
Marriage 30 March 1896 in Liverpool
Arthur was 34, Sailmaker, residence 34 Strand Street
Image
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L93N-X9KQ-N

Baptism of daughter Elizabeth Maud, 22 Oct 1900
Abode Denison St. Arthur still a Sailmaker
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9YL-GQDP-F

The Liverpool crew list may be the Lisbonense in 1901
A Marsden, 40, born W'hampton, home address 41 Denison St. Last ship Bernard. Capacity AB.

You would think his occupation would help.
Another crew list on Ancestry. NSW Unassisted
"River Falloch", arriving Sydney in April 1895, from Liverpool
Arthur Marsden, Station Sails, 33, of what nation America

Could it be him?

Hi Jon,

I don't have an Ancestry subscription, but I was wondering if this entry is related to 'our' Arthur, hence  'of what Nation: America' from the NSW crew list? Could he have been in America(s) or other ports all of this time (1883-1895), hence his absence from the UK censuses?

Marsden  Arthur  1861  -  1883 United States, Passenger and Crew Lists  Americas