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Mac, Mc. & Mc
« on: Tuesday 22 June 21 09:09 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I was hoping someone would be able to help me figure out why these names have been written differently.

I have noticed on multiple records MacPherson seem to have been written differently. For people I know are MacPhersons some of the records show an uppercase M a little C (which sometimes looks like the @ sign) at the top and a dot underneath the c, has anyone seen this before?

My great-grandfather was born Duncan MacPherson, it is written MacPherson on his birth certificate and on his gravestone, however on my grandfathers birth certificate the names have been written with the little c and dot

Was this a way of writing Mac ?

Thanks in advance for any help!

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Re: Mac, Mc. & Mc
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 10:02 BST (UK) »
I think you will find that Mac, Mc. & Mc are all interchangeable.   Many people would only hear the name spoken - and they would spell it as they thought it should be written. 
The name may change though generations, or even within someone's lifetime - particularly if they moved from a Scottish culture to somewhere else - like Australia or USA etc. 
There is no significance to the different spellings, or appearance.    When searching for Mac names, you need to keep this in mind.
NEILSON - Erskine/Bishopton, Renfrewshire and Glasgow
BROWN - Hamilton, Lanarkshire
CAIRNS - Hamilton, Lanarkshire
FINDLAY - Kirriemuir area, Forfarshire/Angus
PORTER - Tobermore, Derry, Ireland

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Re: Mac, Mc. & Mc
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 10:06 BST (UK) »
Hello Jadea55,

I was born and I have researched my Mac relatives, I have seen all spellings. Although I know my name when working in Scotland they kept "correcting" it for me was relieved when I got married so no longer have this problem.

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Re: Mac, Mc. & Mc
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 10:22 BST (UK) »
The full thing is Mac. Mc, Mc., Mc and M' are all just abbreviations of it. M' is common in 19th century newspapers. There is no significance to the different spellings and they are all pronounced the same. In many older records the spelling is that of the clerk. When you do find a name written by the person themselves, there is often no consistency in how they spell it. Exactly the same applies to non-Mac surnames too. The same person can spell their name two or three different ways in the same document. It is only in more recent times that great weight has been given to consistency in spelling.


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Re: Mac, Mc. & Mc
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 10:32 BST (UK) »
I agree with the other answers here.

I have all the variants for my ancestors. :-) I quickly got used to searching for Mac/Mc//Mc/Mc. & Co.

As GR2 says, M' is also a possibility. I have only found this once in my family, on the wedding cert for one of my XGGrandfathers. Elsewhere (on other certs) he is shown as MacDonald or McDonald.

It would be too easy for us if everything were to be homogeneous...  ;D
McDonald MacDonald M'Donald McGregor MacGregor M'Gregor Twilley Wells Fentiman Carrington Rowe Needham Mitchell Mackie Collingwood Fuller Maides Shilton Hagon Budd

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Re: Mac, Mc. & Mc
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 11:32 BST (UK) »
As GR2 says, M' is also a possibility.

The M' spelling is particularly useful to be aware of when searching 19th century newspaper sites. Quite often M'Duff will bring up results which don't appear if you enter MacDuff or McDuff.

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Re: Mac, Mc. & Mc
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 14:50 BST (UK) »
As GR2 says, M' is also a possibility.

The M' spelling is particularly useful to be aware of when searching 19th century newspaper sites. Quite often M'Duff will bring up results which don't appear if you enter MacDuff or McDuff.

My 19th century Scottish-born Mc ancestor got a few mention in local newspapers, usually reports of court cases.
There are several examples of his signature. He was consistent, always signing with a large M followed by a tiny c, the form my family still use. His wife couldn't write. Births and deaths of their children were variously registered as "Mac___" or "Mc___" and spelling of the second part of the name wasn't consistent in those records. His name was spelled differently on a census return when he was listed as a lodger. From that record I surmised that he pronounced it differently ("the Scottish way") to how he wrote it.
Local English people pronounced my family's written surname differently again, with emphasis on the "Mac" part. My ancestor's widow's 2nd husband didn't write either. First census after their marriage has her son from her first marriage as "Mack ___".  His name was incorrectly transcribed in an index under the second part of the surname with "Mack" as a middle name. It reverts to his father's spelling on the next census and all subsequent documents for him and other members of the family. He and a younger sister could write and he became an insurance agent later in adult life so he was accustomed to keeping accurate records.

Mac/Mc, like the O' prefix, may have been omitted on some records or transcriptions or indexes.
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Re: Mac, Mc. & Mc
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 22:48 BST (UK) »
A suggestion for you when researching these names. Where wildcards are available on searches, do use them! One of my main lines is MacDonald, so I learnt the hard way  :-\ to search as M*cDonald (even M*cDon*, as sometimes it can show as McDonnell).

You can use wildcards on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

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Re: Mac, Mc. & Mc
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 23 June 21 01:29 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for all your responses.

The big issue I'm having is my great grandfathers war history. I have found a a few records that I think might be him but because the spelling is wrong I can't be sure and knowing a lot of records were destroyed I can't go further back apart from the medal cards!

I have searched most abbreviations of Mac and the only records I can find are Mc (the other Mac I found was not him)