John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow

[Diana]

Hi All, This is Soho confusing I hope you can bear with me.

I am trying to find out about a John Thomson born 2 Sept 1868 (illegitimate)  in the Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn to a Bridget Thomson.  the birth entry off Scotlands People states she was a
domestic Servant
 Domesile: 580 Gallowgate Street Glasgow.
The Governor signed to say he was born in the poorhouse. OK that does not look to bad 

NOW TO JOHN'S MARRIAGE

John Thomson married Charlotte Campbell on the 19 Aug 1891 the address for both was 75 Whitevale Street Glasgow.
FOR JOHN it states  Father George Thomson Deceased Weaver. (remember his birth said illegitimate)
Mother Bridget Cairns  (previously Thomson) MS Duff I cannot find any marriage
 for a George Thomson to Bridget Duff /Duffy. I have found a marriage for a
Bridget DUFFY to
Marriage
16 Sept 1867 • St John's Catholic Chapel, Portugal Street, Hutchesontown, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Patrick Cairns
(1839–1917)

I have tried to find the census from 1851 -1891 for John, Bridget George to no avail.
I would also like the details of when she was admitted and discharged from the Poorhouse.
As I do not live in Scotland any help and advice  would be much appreciated
Diana

1 Source

[MonicaL]

Hi Diana

John's 1868 birth reg should have shown mother as Bridget Duffy not Thomson. She should have shown under maiden name.

Regarding her stay at the Poorhouse, sounds like she was using the hospital facilities for the birth of son John rather than being an inmate there. This is re-enforced by the usual residence details on John's birth reg for his mother.

Monica

[MonicaL]

There are a couple of births showing on the Family Search indexes for children to Patrick Cairns and Bridget Duffy:

1871 - Agnes www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQQR-RMQ
1872 - Ann www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQQR-632

Monica

[MonicaL]

Some more details here on this family https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/K45F-V3W/ann-cairns-1872-1950

Should be able to find them on the censuses with this info.

Added -  1871 below:

Mary Hollachan 52
Jane Hollachan 16 Daughter
Elizabeth Hollachan 7 Daughter
Patrick Cairns 30 Son-in-law Stacker In Factory Cotton b. Glasgow
Bridget Cairns 29 Daughter b. Ireland
James Cairns 11 Grandson
Agnes Cairns 3 Months Grandaughter

Address: Old Toll House, Glasgow Govan/Hutchesontown

Curious about the James Cairns above and whether this could be an error if this couple is connected to your John Thomson? Re the 10 yr old James, Patrick could have been previously married www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQNF-9MZ

The problem with this all is that John would have been conceived after Patrick and Bridget married going by the dates...

Monica

[Diana]

Hi and thank you Monica.
I am actually just looking at familysearch as your message popped up.
under his date and time of birth is says the address as Barnhill poorhouse, was this usual even if it was the hospital side??
I will check out the links you have sent me.
Di

[sancti]

1871 census

Household Members   Age   Relationship
Mary Hollachan 52   Head
Jane Hollachan 16   Daughter
Elizabeth Hollachan 7   Daughter
Patrick Cairns 30   Son-in-law
Bridget Cairns   29   Daughter
James Cairns 11   Grandson
Agnes Cairns 3 Mo   Grandaughter (Granddaughter)
Joseph Mcf Smith 32   Lodger
James Hood 34   Lodger
Adnie Boyd 23   Lodger
Phillip Hughes 26   Lodger

Address:   Old Toll House

[sancti]

There is no guarantee that the John born in the poor house is your John

[sancti]

Which of John and Charlotte's children are you descended from?

[Diana]

Monica & Sancti,
 Than you in all the years I have been looking at Familysearch i have never seen the link you sent me.
I still cannot find John Thomson on any of the census, The ones i did find for 1868 and all living with relatives and none of the surnames match any in the family.
How can Mary Hollachan be his mother in law if her maiden was Duffy?
I am doing this for a friend as a favour. she is decendent from :

John Thomson b1868 marr Charlotte Campbell 19 Aug 1891

John Miller Scott Thomson  b 9 april 1901 marr Lavinin French Armstrong 18 July 1919
John Miller Scott Thomson b 1920 marr Margaret Smith