New Inn BEAFORD and the Parish Clerks of Beaford

[Trees]

Now this is interesting....by the way I have Sqances too! I think the whole of Beaford Dolton etc were related.
Will look at your links and get back to you.
Many thanks

[Trees]

The links ahow that both the New and the Globe wereopenat the same time so it is definitely not a change in the name I am wondering where on earth it was I feel the need for another trip to Devon,,great its a beautiful place to be.

[DOB7]

If you go through any small village you will see many instances of former 'ale houses' which were often little more than a separate parlour or serving room to the main house. The village where I currently live had at least 6 ale houses in years gone by - today there is only one. https://www.closedpubs.co.uk/devon.html lists only one lost pub in Beaford, but that could be because only one name has been submitted. This link may also be useful https://beaford.org/archive

[Trees]

Many thanks Yes the Gunsmith's Arms is also one of "mine" but I don't think it was the New.
As far as we have been able to find Robert Heard was a Gunsmith as was his father. His address in 1850 was the Gunsmith's Arms and he is eight houses from his father in both 1841 and 1851 so I think he was in the same house(unnamed) in 1841 which has become the Gunsmith's Arms between the censuses. It looks like Robert Jnr has used his house as a place to entertain his clients while they wait for him to repair a gun and I don't think it was ever the "New" .
As you say there were dozens of front parlour beer houses set up after the The Beer Act of 1830, was to popularise beer and cider at the expense of spirits, especially gin, which had become the ruination of many poor families. Beer would normally be brewed on the premises and, whilst its sale provided a useful addition to the family income, it would not on its own be sufficient to provide a living for the family and so the man of the house would invariably have a full time occupation as well, as in the case of the Gunsmith's, Robert was never entered on a census as anything other than a Gunsmith.But we know the New existed before the act, so was it in the same class?
Will keep looking I wonder if it is shown on any old maps? Worth a look.

[Trees]

Update on the hunt for the New Inn
I have corres[onded with the  North Devon Record Office and they confirm the only records they have about the New Inn are the ones we have discussed here, so the position of it remains a mystery.
Iwonder if the New became the Gunsmith's Arms I cant find any evidence of the New after 1840  nor of the Gunsmith's before 1851.
I will ask about maps and rate books next.

[mazi]

Just an idle thought, historic England in its grade 2 listing of the globe says it was extensively remodelled in the early to mid 19th century,  I wonder if it was colloquially known as the new inn for a while, it seems unlikely to me that there would be two coaching inns in this small village.

Mike

[Trees]

Don't think the New was a coaching Inn and if you look at the link posted by DOB27
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/3b3eeca4-64d4-406f-9db9-6dd7beff5d80
You will see that both William Westcott (Globe) and John Marshall (New) were licensed in the years 1822-1828 so the Globe was definitely not the New. However I don't see any overlap with the New and the Gunsmiths.But it was an interesting thought thank you.
The Globe and the Gunsmiths were directly opposite each other.

[mazi]

Yes I read that link, it occurred to me that those dates were about the time Historic England says the premises that are now the Globe were converted from a dwelling house to an inn, the Globe then was occupying the premises to the left.

The newly converted house would need its own license, even if the conversion was by mutual agreement, with the two eventually trading as one Globe Inn,  but as you say, just a thought.

Mike

[Trees]

Ah yes I see what you are thinking but I still think the fact the two Inns are names simutaneously indicates there were definitely two establishments one known as the Globe the other as the New. I am tending towards the New becoming the Gunsmith's Arms but have no proof. I am wondering if any rates books remain or if the Inns show on any old maps.