Anyone with DNA knowledge/expertise - Family Puzzle!

[brigidmac]

Can someone confirm if the cm of three people
 ( who are cousins 5th gg grandchildren of john THOMPSON & first wife)
Confirm they are half 2c 1R to your mother
42cm 34cm + 58 cm

A full 2c once removed descrnded from john and 2nd wife is103cm

The people with higher Matches descend from johns son william 1879 and violet McCRODDEN

So definitely narrowing down the birth father

Lilbn can you add your aunts and your own level of cm just to the people ive mentioned here for now  ( i ve named them in email). Very exciting mystery to solve .
So we can see a range and

[Littlebn20]

Will devote some time to this tomorrow Brigid. Thank you. Struggle with the numbers (which is why I start a new tree per new theory)

[brigidmac]

Yes i know
I just want you to tell me if you match the 3 granddaughters of emma SEITAS+ john joseph Thompson and if so by how much & the WEIR match

And how your aunt cm compares
I can do the analysing
 
Im pretty sure my theory hold up but the more evidence the better a
anamolies do happen in dna matches because of the range

[Littlebn20]

Morning. My matches are as follows;

CD 21cM
GS 20cM
JP 14cM

Will wait on aunt for amounts and reply when I have them.

B

[Littlebn20]

Also interesting is that my match to A Weir is actually only 29cM vs my Mum at 103cM!

[brigidmac]

Early start on this !

so those three grandchildren of John Joseph and Emma THOMPSON nee SEITAS
 can either be your third cousins or half third cousins

You connect to WEIR
thru the 1804  JOHN THOMPSON patriarchs daughter Louise THOMPSON

So he is either full or half 3rd cousin

The high match to your mother and lower match to you is a normal amount difference for a generation apart but having your aunt's and your cousins cm amounts will confirm which of patriarchs children you are more  likely to be direct descendant of

Need to find out if patriarch had a wife between Elizabeth WINTERBOTTOM + mother of the John who married Sietas
+
 Roseanne SHIEL mother of Louisa

William Thompson m Elizabeth violet MCCRODDEN they  are parents of Noel  Cyril Thompson
William could be son of Roseanne SHIEL or unknown


So we are looking to see if  your direct ancestor is another child of John Thompson+ rose SHEILL / Shields/Sheil  or Louise or William

Half siblings now ruled out

What exactly is the mystery BEDFORD  connection?
*
Two brothers Stanley and Harry BEDFORD  are lodger and visitor with
William + violet Thompson and children + grandma MCCRODDEN + great aunt
So they definitely knew each other

[brigidmac]

And the HARTY WALSH connections

In my opinion it's usually a case of "chercher la femme"

So far no connections to SHEILS

We also have to look for connections to the BEDFORD candidates mother and grandmother do you have those surnames

No connections may just mean no relatives tested but the fact that you match THOMPSON s and LANGSTON s means a NPE or adoption or unknown mother is somewhere on your line

[brigidmac]

I have modified and added to answer 32 because I had problems typing and the sentences weren't clear
Not done any extra work on this but it's cleared in my mind

Enjoy the football

Will come back to this next week when all DNA matches are comparable on same page lilbns her mum aunt + cousins

Maybe include matches to HARTY that's the next line to follow

[brigidmac]

You need to have  john THOMPSON 1804-1903 + Roseanne

 On your trees as direct ancestor for connections to show

I.ll wait to get the summary of cm dna amounts for you .mum . your cousin .and aunt
Before making more speculation !

The Bedford -Oakley marriage may be a second  marriage so your ancestor could be Mary ... something else
One tree has Bower/Davis but no sources.

Roseanne SHEILS could also be a surname from first  marriage maybe she s a LANGSTON

Next step is to invest in some certificates ..birth certificates + marriage certificate where you dont know morhers name
Also may show twins
Or give clues in names of witnesses

I think getting a certificate of the Bedford potential birth father would be worthwhile and marriage certificate of his father.

My nans marriage cert gives
" otherwise known as "for her foster family  .surname shed used at school+ work from 1906-1924

Her birth mothers surname as her regusterd Surname
 father unknown but her middle name was his surname !

You cant ses that kind of information on transcript s !