Anyone with DNA knowledge/expertise - Family Puzzle!

[aghadowey]

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/DublinSouth/

Nothing with the name John Birtles or surname Birtles coming up in Dublin area in 1901/1911 census or vital records.

[brigidmac]

New results come in every day mostly tiny but.last week we had another of my mums second cousins !
Another recommendation i would make is if you can persuade your uncle or a male cousin or brother to test too you may get stronger results and you may get more replies if you can say the dna matches yourself your mother and ....xyz

[Flemming]

Hi there, are the 469cM and 402cM matches with your Mum, rather than your gran?

If you're stuck on Ancestry matches for the time-being, you could try uploading the DNA to MyHeritage. You pay a one-off fee to unlock the tools but then you can see all the people you and a match share DNA with (Ancestry only shows this for matches above 20cM). It also has a chromosome browser which allows you to group matches on the same section of chromosome (called triangulation, and there is an 'auto-cluster' function which does some of this for you).

The database is smaller than Ancestry's and, just a personal thing, I don't find it as user-friendly as Ancestry, but I've had some big wins on there with high cM matches who haven't tested on Ancestry.

Family Fanatics has a YouTube tutorial for MH which might help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vql0AXbtI6w

[brigidmac]

You can also upload resd results from ancestry to gedmatch for free

If im reading the trees + (what youve told me in pm) right your grandmother
Was born 1920

Bridget DOHERTY would have been wife or girlfriend  of your grandmas birth father so you wouldnt have dna matches with the Doherty line further up  .only to her descendants whose surnames would presumably not be DOUGHERTY is that where your match might link ?

[brigidmac]

With unknown patentage or adoptions one technique is the opposite of traditional research

You start from top of one tree and work down from a common ancestor of your matches .

Then see if there are places / names where they cross over from any of your candidates
It
Looks like you have identified a 3 x or  4x ggfather  john LANGSTON & you've worked out names of 4 grand parents of your potential half cousin or second cousin .

Fascinating hunt

[brigidmac]

Btw Your common ancestor is fascinating and he and his family moved from Macclesfield to London then Hull +USA  while he ws a child + briefly back to UK
(in his biography written in 1877 )

He finally decided to become mormon and one of the reasons for so many matches to him is that the families were really big .

Also as someone said earlier  more Americans test .

[brigidmac]

Congratulations 28 dna matches to john LANGSTON b1822
 + thrulines from adding "child LANGSTON
Thats an incredible amount

+ The cm values are consistent with being descended.from john but not his wife

Tho half 3C.results would be similar to 3c 1r or 4c so you may have to alter your provisional ancestor.

[brigidmac]

If you want to follow the story of the one of the LANGSTON children that I had a hard time locating I've posted on USA board
Maybe it will be seen by one of the 100s of descendants

I really do think it's a miracle that Littlebn has DNA matches to 8 out of his ten children who grew up to marry + have children

+ There is a possibility that bn is descended  from one of them and not a love child

Need to do some cm number crunching from the thru lines
Is the highest match 34cm  for a 4th cousin
 half 3C 1,R + half 2c2,r ?


 Seeking George Heber LANGSTON
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=849796.0

[Littlebn20]

You are absolutely brilliant Brigid. Thanks millions for all of your help and persistence so far. I could have never got anywhere near this without you . I am so glad that I posted all that time ago. Feel that we still have so much to learn. 28 DNA matches to one man is pretty significant!