Lost Summers

[Flemming]

Hi there, Carole's find in 1911 does look to be a good fit, unless the lady was fibbing about name, age and POB, as there's only one Mary Louisa Summers born 1870 +/- 5 years in Devon. Maybe she was housekeeper for Henry Morgans. It may be worth looking at newspaper archives to see if there's an advert for this. Ladies used to travel all over the country for this kind of work.

Interestingly, trees on Ancestry suggest that Henry married Ethel Constance Bourner in 1925 Wimbledon, and there's a PR for this marriage which shows him to be 54 yrs old, a widower, and a clerk, which ties in with the 1911 census. The bride was 37 yrs old and a spinster. There's also a child which could be this couple's, Kenneth Thomas LLewellyn Bourner br Q2 1917 Dorchester, no mother's maiden name. The public trees have Kenneth's surname as Morgans, father Henry, but no mother.

The question then, as you say, is what happened to Mary Louisa?

[martinsummers]

Flemming,
I think that you have something worth pursuing. There is some suggestion that her aunts moved to Bloomsbury from Plymouth with a unmarried, possibly  dubious, life style.

It may not resolve the destiny of either Mary Louisa or Florence, but it will indicate a life style.

Thanks for the clue.

Regards

Martin

[martinsummers]

Flemming,
It would seem that Kenneth Thomas Llewellyn Bourner and Kenneth Thomas Llewellyn Morgans are the same person. There is good correlation between GRO and other records etc.
I've checked all that I can find related to this, but sadly my problem remains.
Thanks for the clue...every hint helps.
Regards
M

[osprey]

there's a baptism 9 July 1891 at Christchurch, Plymouth for a Winifred Florence Summers born 3 March 1891 daughter of Louisa, address 20 William Street.

Also, a marriage at St Barnabas 22 Oct 1919
Harry Willie Cune 27 bach carpenter 44 Holdsworth St father William serjeant RMLI deceased
Winifred Florence Summers 28 spinster 44 Holdsworth St father William John Summers tailor deceased 
witnesses James Arthur Reginald Summers & William Henry Bidgood

Baptism 18 April 1889 Christchurch, Plymouth for James Arthur Reginald Summers son of James, compositor, and Caroline of 21 Morley Place.

[osprey]

appears to be the correct family as this Summers family is at 20 William Street in 1891

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W4PG-16Z

Possibly the baby became Winifred Florence to distinguish her from Louisa's sister Florence.

[martinsummers]

Osprey,
I'll check it tomorrow, but it looks like you've got it. My mother grew up on Holdsworth Street and most of the rest our branch were in eithe Hodsworth Street or Wake street.

Thanks for your help - great.

regards

Martin

[martinsummers]

Osprey,
It seems good.
I do need to accept a lot of flexibility in the use in the use of first names:
Mary Louisa becomes Louisa.
Florence becomes Winifred Florence.
And I won't question "William John Summers" Tailor - Her father isn't mentioned anywhere else and I can't find a William John Summers anywhere - there is a degree of fiction there.
However, James Arthur Reginald is definitely one of ours!
Thanks again for the help. A more confident picture is appearing every day.
Rgds
Martin

[osprey]

Her father could be William John something, a tailor. Conveniently deceased by time of marriage.
Scan of register here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC9P-J3R

Groom in 1911 at the same address as mentioned on marriage
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW9V-SPS

Baptism of Louisa's daughter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCS9-BLT