LOUISA JANE MORRIS b. 1876 Bridnorth in Lancaster in 1891

[wilcoxon]

Ancestry.
 
Marriage 14 May 1921   St Aidan, Bradford  Manchester Lancashire,

Eleanor Saunders 23 sp residence 5 Ashworth Street father Thomas Saunders carter.
John Robert Ogden 22 bac labourer 40 Kay Street , father John Robert Ogden labourer
Witnesses Thomas Saunders ( brother?)  Emily Ogden.

42 William Street, Manchester. 18 years later.
John R Ogden Sr 41 property demolisher b 19 October 1898
Eleanor (Nellie Eleanor) Ogden    41 born  20 Feb 1898
John R Ogden Jr 17   
Gladys Ogden 15

Nellie Eleanor Ogden Death Age: 85 Birth Date:    20 Feb 1898
Registration Quarter:    Jul-Aug-Sep 1983 Registration District:    Manchester

So, Nellie Eleanor knew about her father, his occupation is pretty much the same as 1901. It doesn`t say he is deceased,  but quite often it`s not specified. Her residence was  at the same street that her mother  lived.

   

[Lesleyperry]

Re: Nellie Eleanor OGDEN (nee SAUNDERS) b. 1898 Manchester

Thank for bring Nellie Eleanor up-to-date (felt sorry for her in Styal) - married in St. Aiden, Bradford. 

Yes, seems like the father, Thomas SAUNDERS b. Bath was around for Nellie Eleanor.

Then Thomas SAUNDERS b. 1876 c. Bath, died around 1908-1910, before the mother's Fanny Louisa EDWARDS (SAUNDERS nee MORRIS, mmn DAYUS) remarriage 1913 w/George EDWARDS.

Yes, would most likely be brother Thomas SAUNDERS, b. 1904 lived until her was 66.

[lancsann]

Re: Nellie Eleanor OGDEN (nee SAUNDERS) b. 1898 Manchester

Thank for bring Nellie Eleanor up-to-date (felt sorry for her in Styal) - married in St. Aiden, Bradford. 

Yes, seems like the father, Thomas SAUNDERS b. Bath was around for Nellie Eleanor.

Then Thomas SAUNDERS b. 1876 c. Bath, died around 1908-1910, before the mother's Fanny Louisa EDWARDS (SAUNDERS nee MORRIS, mmn DAYUS) remarriage 1913 w/George EDWARDS.

Father Thomas was not necessarily around at Eleanor's marriage as often the registrar did not record that the father was deceased

[Lesleyperry]

Re: Father @ marriage - got it.  No, I meant it didn't seem like he (Thomas SAUNDERS b. Bath) just deserted the family back around 1910 - I think Thomas would have died, in this case, some time around 1908-1910. 

The marriage certificate is looking less likely for Thomas SAUNDERS/Fanny Louisa nee MORRIS.  Maybe he died before they got around to it.  Not unusual not to marry for a while after settling down.

[RonOne]

Gorton Cemetery, Section X Consecrated, Grave 379
John Robert Ogden, burial 27 Jun 1952
John Robert Ogden, burial 14 Apr 1967
Nellie Eleanor Ogden, burial 16 Oct 1983
https://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/GenLocDetails.aspx?ID=171796


Corresponding death registrations:

Deaths Jun 1952
OGDEN John R - aged 53 - Manchester 10e 304

Deaths Jun 1967
OGDEN John R - aged 45 - Manchester 10e 285

Deaths Sep 1983
OGDEN Nellie Eleanor - D.O.B. 20 Feb 1898 - Manchester 38 1409

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/

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OGDEN John Robert of 42 Hoyland Street West Gorton
Manchester 12 died 11 April 1967 Administration
Manchester 28 June to Nellie Eleanor Ogden widow.
£1600
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=ogden&yearOfDeath=1967&page=3#calendar

[Lesleyperry]

Re: Nellie Eleanor

Thank you for the burial information.  It is helpful.

Lesley

[wilcoxon]

It seems Fanny Louisa didn`t remember her birth details, both the month and year are wrong
Reply 1
MORRIS, FANNY  LOUISA Mother's maiden surname: DAYNS     
GRO Reference: 1876  J Quarter in BRIDGNORTH 

 Reply 9
1939 Louisa Edwards    64 b  27 August 1875

 Reply 17
Deaths Sep 1960   EDWARDS  Fanny L 84  Manchester  bc 1876

[Lesleyperry]

Re: Fanny Louisa - birthday inaccuracy

Thanks for the additional information - not sure if it is the person or the record keeper with the inaccuracies creeping in - clearly very poor and barely educated. 

I knew my one set of grandparents from that era, who both died when they were 90, told me about those times.

Fanny Louisa seems to have lived a long life-span (1960) - wow!.  Her sister, possibly, my g-gran Alice E. ELLIS nee MORRIS, died in 1931, age 58.

Alice E. was also, like Fanny Louisa, a servant in the Chorlton/Didsbury area in 1891 (far, for the times, from their Bridnorth birthplace. 

Trying to confirm these two as sisters to confirm my g-gran Alice E. MORRIS in Didsbury on the 1891.

Lesley

[wilcoxon]

St Mary Magdalene Bridgenorth
Alice Edith Dayns Christening Date  29 Mar 1874
Mother's Name Louisa Daynd

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