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Re: The son of Sir George Rooke - George Rooke (1702-1739)
« Reply #81 on: Monday 07 June 21 13:03 BST (UK) »
Biography of Sir George Rooke on History of Parliament Online.
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1690-1715/member/rooke-sir-george-1650-1709
As well as being Admiral of the Fleet he was M.P for Portsmouth until 1708.
Fought a duel with John Norris 1699.
1702 "overcome with grief" at the death of his second wife shortly after the birth of his son.
Prince George, his son's godfather, was nominal head of the Admiralty.
Feb. 1703 Visited St. Lawrence "to put my own little private affairs in order" in between his public duties.
1703 Earl of Abingdon introduced a motion in the House of Lords for a compliment to be paid to Rooke "in acknowledgement of his services". The motion wasn't seconded. (A great-niece of that earl was godmother to 3 children of a 5xGGF of mine, my only link to nobility.  :))
Sir George suffered several bouts of ill-health, including gout. Had an operation on his legs; surgeon removed a chalky substance.  ??? Took leave of absence from Dec. 1705 on account of his health. Seems to have spent more time in Kent afterwards.
Jan. 1706 married Catherine, sister of Edward Knatchbull, a lady reported to be "a great fortune in Kent". Edward Knatchbull was another M.P.
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Re: The son of Sir George Rooke - George Rooke (1702-1739)
« Reply #82 on: Monday 07 June 21 13:07 BST (UK) »
  St Lawrence House was virtually in the country; even in late 19th Century maps the area is St Lawrence Farm.
   I suspect the marriage to Catherine Knatchbull was, as Maiden Stone suggests, for social advancement; she was the daughter of an influential member of the Kent gentry.

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Re: The son of Sir George Rooke - George Rooke (1702-1739)
« Reply #83 on: Monday 07 June 21 13:50 BST (UK) »
   I suspect the marriage to Catherine Knatchbull was, as Maiden Stone suggests, for social advancement; she was the daughter of an influential member of the Kent gentry.


Although he may also have been hoping for another son, a spare to the heir. (The second wife, little George's mother, was only around 20 when she died.)
As Catherine was a local girl and as Sir George was having health problems and seems to have been concentrating his political energies in Kent, they probably spent more time at or near home.

Ideas about child-rearing were different 300 years ago.
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The son of Sir George Rooke - George Rooke (1702-1739)
« Reply #84 on: Monday 07 June 21 16:06 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone for the help and information, it is greatly appreciated.

Summing up...

I had forgotten about the family line of George's grandmother, Jane Rooke (nee Finch). Passing away in 1711, George would have been 9 years old. It's assumed as grandmother she had some 'input' into George's younger years.

We now know that George's guardians, until he was 21, were William Brodnax of Godmersham, Kent and Samuel Milles (lawyer?) of the Inner Temple, London.

I contacted Pembroke College at Cambridge University and apart from the information already given in this thread, they don't have any information on George's earlier school life.

George's occupation is not known.

As i previously mentioned George married the Hon. Frances Ward in Oct. 1723, he had just turned 21 in July.

As we know George passed away in Nov. 1739, but the exact cause of death is unknown apart from the passage found in - Memoirs of Laetitia Pilkington, Vol.II, 1749
Quote from page 129: - '....for the very first news i heard next morning, as, that Mr Rooke, a little while after he rose, fell down in an Apoplectic Fit, and instantly expired.'
 
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain


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Re: The son of Sir George Rooke - George Rooke (1702-1739)
« Reply #85 on: Monday 07 June 21 19:49 BST (UK) »
Looking for advise and help in trying to find information/facts about the son of Sir George Rooke (1650-1709).
Sir George Rooke (1650-1709), was Admiral of the Fleet.
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In the Biographical Memoir on Sir George Rooke, Naval Chronicle for 1815, we can read
'..and on the 24th of January, 1708-9, in the 58th year of his age, he died of the gout, a complaint with which he had been many years afflicited'.

What I am looking for is information of the son George Rooke (1702-1739).

The only thing i have found (very surprising for a son of an Admiral of the Fleet) is a small mention in 'Memoirs of Laetitia Pilkington, Vol.II, 1749'

Quote from page 129 -
'....for the very first news i heard next morning, as, that Mr Rooke, a little while after he rose, fell down in an Apoplectic Fit, and instantly expired.'

An apoplectic fit, also known as apoplexy, refers to a sudden neurological impairment often resulting from a brain haemorrhage or stroke.

Might there be a way of sourcing an actual document or text that specifies the cause of death?
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain

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Re: The son of Sir George Rooke - George Rooke (1702-1739)
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Re: The son of Sir George Rooke - George Rooke (1702-1739)
« Reply #87 on: Monday 07 June 21 21:13 BST (UK) »
He had several aunts, the most likely one is Ursula, married to Sir Thomas Hardres and probably living at Upper Hardres, a few miles away.
I doubt if you will ever know definitely, but I have had fun checking it, as this is local history for me, and touches on people and places I have recently researched.

May i ask how do you know Ursula Rooke married Sir Thomas Hardres?
Might you have a date?
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain

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Re: The son of Sir George Rooke - George Rooke (1702-1739)
« Reply #88 on: Tuesday 08 June 21 03:53 BST (UK) »

May i ask how do you know Ursula Rooke married Sir Thomas Hardres?
Might you have a date?

From a monument in Upper Hardres St Peter and St Paul Church

"Here lies interred the body of Sir Thomas Hardres, Bart., who departed this life on the 23 day of February, in the year of our Lord 1688, in the 28th year of his age. He married Ursula, the second daughter of Sir William Rooke, Knight. (by whom he had issue 2 children, namely Frances who died in her infancy, and William now living.) She died on 8th January in the year 1707, in the 52d year of her age, and also lies buryed under this stone."

"The monuments and painted glass of upwards of one hundred churches, chiefly in the eastern part of Kent, most of which were examined by the editor in person, and the rest communicated by the resident clergy. With an appendix, containing three churches in other counties. To which are added, a small collection of detached epitaphs, with a few notes on the whole. By Philip Parsons, A. M. Minister of wye, in Kent"

Publication Date: 1794

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Re: The son of Sir George Rooke - George Rooke (1702-1739)
« Reply #89 on: Tuesday 08 June 21 04:02 BST (UK) »
Also

"HARDRES, of Hardres, Kent ...

This ancient family came from Ardres in Picardy (b), though it is uncertain whether they entered England before, or at the time of the Norman invasion ...

  Sir Thomas Hardres, Bart., who married Ursula, daughter of Sir William Rooke, Knt, and was buried at Hardres, leaving issue ..."

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