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Re: Passmore or Pasmore family of North Molton, Devon
« Reply #45 on: Wednesday 30 June 21 22:58 BST (UK) »
22. Bapt 25 Sep 1811 North Molton s/o Philip & Elizabeth

I have not researched what happened to him.

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Re: Passmore or Pasmore family of North Molton, Devon
« Reply #46 on: Thursday 01 July 21 00:45 BST (UK) »
And I think that is virtually everything I have got on all the Philip Passmores of North Molton, Devon!

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Re: Passmore or Pasmore family of North Molton, Devon
« Reply #47 on: Friday 02 July 21 08:08 BST (UK) »
All of this research matches my records into my descent from Philip Passmore born 1672.  I am then descended from his son Philip Passmore born in 1700, and his son Philip Passmore born in 1735.  This Philip Passmore really did marry 3 times.  His second wife Margaret Kingdon is whom I am descended from.  She was only 15/16 and died in 1790.  Philip Passmores 3rd wife was Elizabeth Radford.  I am descended from Philip and Margarets son Richard Passmore born in 1775.  They were all from North Molton, but I am puzzled why Philip Passmore would leave out his son's William and Richard in his 1804 will.  They were alive?  We are very distant cousins. :)

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Re: Passmore or Pasmore family of North Molton, Devon
« Reply #48 on: Friday 02 July 21 10:15 BST (UK) »
My, you have done a lot of work on the Passmore family.the name Passmore crops up in my Jutsum tree and North and South Molton feature greatly.I just went through your 6 pages of very interesting work but Jutsum does not appear unfortunately.i wondered if you could help me with my John Jutsum husband of Elizabeth  Townsend and Mary Skinner. I have him dying in 1800 in St Thomas Apostle.Mary died in 1816 and they both appear to be buried in the local graveyard.I cant find his birth date or parents . I wondered if with your local knowledge you might be able to help.His will was in the Devon records but I have been unable to access it .He is not the John jutsum who married Ann Baker and according to most people with trees on ancestry lived to over 100.i say this as that particular John had a lot of children with Ann and the timeline makes it impossible.Any help would be fantastic .thanks .Fred.
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Re: Passmore or Pasmore family of North Molton, Devon
« Reply #49 on: Saturday 03 July 21 11:42 BST (UK) »

He is presumably the Philip Pasmore named in North Devon Record Office documents:

2309B/0/T/48/2(a): Lease for lives 1. Sir Charles W. Bampfylde of Poltimore 2. Philip Pasmore of North Molton, woolcomber, 1780.

2309B/0/T/48/2(b): Assignment of lease 1. Philip Passmore 2. William Passmore, his son, 1797.

The son must be the William baptised in 1774. The woolcomber occupation matches that on Philip's 1764 marriage licence and the Philip Pasmore baptised in 1731 was dead by 1797, so this must be the one baptised in 1735.

He must also be the Philip in this 1794 document, although if so a Richard Pasmore born c1776 needs to be added to his children.

North Devon Record Office B1162/15/8
Counterpart Lease for 99 years or three lives, 1794
1. Sir Charles Warwick Bampfylde of Poltimore, baronet
2. John Fownes Luttrell of Dunster Castle in Somerset, esq.
3. Philip Passmore of North Molton, woolcomber
Premises: Plot of ground - part of the Manor of North Molton
Consideration: £8
Lives: Philip Passmore; his sons Philip Passmore aged 20 and Richard Passmore aged 16
10 July 34 George III

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The 1792 marriage [J] of a widower Philip Pasmore I was unsure of at first as the signature on this marriage does not match any of the marriages or witnesses that came before it. The same signature however appears as a witness on the 1801 marriage of Philip Pasmore and Elizabeth Slader [K].

However having now found the following document regarding this Philip's will:

The National Archives, Kew
IR 26/337/380
Abstract of Will of Philip Passmore, Woolcomber of North Molton, Devon. Proved in the Court of Exeter.
Date:    July 30 1804

This names his three children and wife as Elizabeth and this confirms that the following third marriage was his:

J. 12 Nov 1792 North Molton to Elizabeth Radford (widower - could sign)

The marriage was by licence and he was described as being a clothier and a widower. He could sign and she could not. Unlike the signatures on his 1764 and 1770 marriages, he now signed his surname with two Ss (Passmore), whereas in 1764 and 1770 he signed as 'Pasmore'. The capital Ps are also different.

The extract of his will contained in the above mentioned IR 26/337/380 contains the following:

Date of the Probate and Sum sworn to:
1804 July 30th under 600£

Name and Description of the Testator or Intestate:
Philip Passmore late of North Molton Woolcomber

Names and Places of Abode of the Executors or Administrators:
Philip Passmore of the same his son

Names of the Legatees, distinguishing the Residuary Legatee/Degree of Relationship/Account of the several Legacies, and Annuities, and Form of the Requests, particularly of the Residue:
Elizabeth Passmore - Wife - Six Pounds and ten shillings per year during her life payable out of Rackapark
Christian Kingdon - Daughter - The House & Garden she lived in
Robert Passmore - Son - Three Dwelling Houses and Garden with Fifty Pounds
Phillip Passmore, Residuary Legatee - Son - All the rest & residue of his Personal Estate Goods & Chattels he gave to his said son Phillip Passmore and appointed him sole Executor.


As only his children Christian born 1767, Philip born 1772 and Robert born 1782 are named in his will, presumably these are the only children who outlived him.

There is indeed the baptism of a Richard in 1775 so his children with second wife Margaret seem to be:

Philip 1770, Philip 1772, William 1774, Richard 1775, Elizabeth 1777, Margaret 1780, Robert 1782, Michael 1785 & Peter 1787.

Philip's first wife Joan was buried on 1 July 1669 as 'Joan Wife of Philip Pasmore'. 

As has been pointed out here by the previous poster,  William and Richard were in fact alive at the time of their father's death but are not listed in the names of beneficiaries in the sums sworn at his probate.

The full original will does not survive as it was destroyed with all the other Devon wills in WWII.

Philip is named with his son William on lease 2309B/0/T/48/2(a) in 1797 listed above. He is also named with sons Philip and Richard in a lease 3 years before in 1794 also listed above B1162/15/8.

I can therefore only assume that William and Richard received their inheritiance in their father's lifetime and that this was referenced in the lost original will but not recorded in the schedule.

He may also have fallen out with one or the other of these sons and just left them one shilling each which was not recorded in the schedule either.

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Re: Passmore or Pasmore family of North Molton, Devon
« Reply #50 on: Saturday 03 July 21 11:46 BST (UK) »
All of this research matches my records into my descent from Philip Passmore born 1672.  I am then descended from his son Philip Passmore born in 1700, and his son Philip Passmore born in 1735.  This Philip Passmore really did marry 3 times.  His second wife Margaret Kingdon is whom I am descended from.  She was only 15/16 and died in 1790.  Philip Passmores 3rd wife was Elizabeth Radford.  I am descended from Philip and Margarets son Richard Passmore born in 1775.  They were all from North Molton, but I am puzzled why Philip Passmore would leave out his son's William and Richard in his 1804 will.  They were alive?  We are very distant cousins. :)

Thanks for the reply. I have added my thoughts on this above.

I am pleased to have confirmed my connection to the North Molton Passmore family and now need to do my own research and see how far I can get back with them from Richard baptised in 1672!

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Re: Passmore or Pasmore family of North Molton, Devon
« Reply #51 on: Saturday 03 July 21 11:51 BST (UK) »
This Philip Passmore really did marry 3 times.  His second wife Margaret Kingdon is whom I am descended from.  She was only 15/16 and died in 1790.  Philip Passmores 3rd wife was Elizabeth Radford. 

What has been interesting to me about this third marriage in 1792 is how different Philip's signature was to his marriages in 1764 and 1770.

He has even changed the spelling of how he spelt his name to include a double S in Passmore when previously he signed with one.

It shows you can't always rely on a signature to prove identity!

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Re: Passmore or Pasmore family of North Molton, Devon
« Reply #52 on: Saturday 03 July 21 11:58 BST (UK) »
My, you have done a lot of work on the Passmore family.the name Passmore crops up in my Jutsum tree and North and South Molton feature greatly.I just went through your 6 pages of very interesting work but Jutsum does not appear unfortunately.i wondered if you could help me with my John Jutsum husband of Elizabeth  Townsend and Mary Skinner. I have him dying in 1800 in St Thomas Apostle.Mary died in 1816 and they both appear to be buried in the local graveyard.I cant find his birth date or parents . I wondered if with your local knowledge you might be able to help.His will was in the Devon records but I have been unable to access it .He is not the John jutsum who married Ann Baker and according to most people with trees on ancestry lived to over 100.i say this as that particular John had a lot of children with Ann and the timeline makes it impossible.Any help would be fantastic .thanks .Fred.
I'll have a look and see what I can find, but this looks like one tricky brick wall!

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Re: Passmore or Pasmore family of North Molton, Devon
« Reply #53 on: Saturday 03 July 21 14:52 BST (UK) »
His second wife Margaret Kingdon is whom I am descended from.  She was only 15/16 and died in 1790.

Philip's first wife Joan was buried on 1 July 1669 at North Molton as 'Joan Wife of Philip Pasmore'. 

Philip's second wife Margaret was buried at North Molton on 24 June 1790 as 'Margarett Passmore (Aged 46)'. From this age at death she seems to have been born c1743/4. She would therefore have been aged about 26 when she married rather than the 15/16 you mentioned?