John George White

[Annette7]

The address is Bollo Lane, Acton.

Annette

[F.H.]

Annette7
Hi.

Looking at the address now, it certainly is Bollo Lane.

Thank you.
 

[F.H.]

Hi Annette.

The info you gave me last week is so very strong but, as I said earlier today the father's name on the marriage certificate is (Charles Edward White), that's different from your name of (Edmund Joseph White).
Can you explain how I could prove one or the other please ?

Thank you,
Fred

[Annette7]

There are no easy answers here I'm afraid.   Always the dilemma when you are dealing with a surname like White, people not marrying, changing their christian name/s.

Since what I found seemed to be the only option we could see, if it was me, I'd be ordering the birth certificate of John George White Sept.1893 Fulham to see if he had a birthday of 30th May.

For instance, even if it did turn out to be the right John George - with a father not Charles Edward but Edmund/Edmond Joseph, things aren't going to get any easier for you.  The latter states he was bc.1856 Islington or Hammersmith but no-one to fit these details either - a number of trees on ancestry state he's the son of a Charles White and Sarah Walkley BUT their son was born and baptised as Edmund James, born 27/1/1858 St Martin in the Fields, bp.14/2/1858, so not sure Edm Joseph is even this man!   See what I mean?

Annette

[F.H.]

Annette.

Thank you.

Wow yes, I do see what you mean. My mind is buzzing now , trying to take it all in.

I think that over the next few days, I'll go back over the previous posts and take in what I can and as you say, order the birth cert for John George White. (I'll let you know the outcome)

On the flip side, I spoke to a cousin of mine this week and there is some belief that "Dorothy May Winifred Lawrence" (John George White's wife) has some Irish connection. I don't think that this helps on the White side, but maybe just that little "bit", that does help somehow.

I'm very grateful to you, and other "Roots Chatters" for your help.

Fred.
 


 

[MonicaL]

Gosh, they continue to be a hard bunch to find 

On Dorothy, you have mentioned her father showed on her marriage entry as William Henry Charles Lawrence, a builder's labourer.

I saw this probate entry for a younger William www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPLZ-2W2L and on Find a Grave www.findagrave.com/memorial/200131062/william-henry_charles-lawrence

His death index entry shows him aged c.29

William H C Lawrence, 29, 2nd Qrt Brentford (3a/231).

Maybe nothing but set of names and location made him stand out.

Added: Maybe his details here www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVQ3-RQS  Can't easily see them yet in 1901.

Monica

[F.H.]

Hi Monica.

Thank you for looking.
Yes, a very hard bunch to find...

If William Henry Charles Lawrence is the one you mention, his age at the marriage of his daughter in 1914..... would be about 14 years old, if my maths are correct.

Fred

[amondg]

A brother or a cousin perhaps.
The birth year of the father is still speculation until you have a definite man.
Reading the will can provide relatives names and possibly lead to the answer you are looking for.

[jonwarrn]

Reading the will can provide relatives names and possibly lead to the answer you are looking for.

It's an administration. Granted to Mary Lawrence, widow
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=lawrence&yearOfDeath=1926&page=4#calendar

Possible marriage, 25 Dec 1922, St George, Southall
William Henry Charles Lawrence, 26, Bachelor, Foreman, residence 60 Oswald Road, Southall, father William Henry Charles Lawrence, Decorator
+
Ivy Amelia Offord, 24, Spinster, residence 14 Oswald Road, Southall, father Isaac Offord (deceased), Independent?
witnesses Archerbald Arthur Laurence (seems to say that?) and Gordon John Offord