John George White

[F.H.]

Looking for ANY info please, of a John George White b1894 in the Brentford/Acton area.
His occupation was "Guard on Central London Railway"

His wife was Dorothy May White nee Lawrence, birthplace and date unknown.
He had been in the Coldstream Guards during WW1

The family lived in Madras Road, Ilford during WW2
Many children, here are the ones I've heard of.
John Kenneth
Ronald Paul
Stella C
Doreen Clara
George C
Derek C
Alma
Gordon
Beatrice
Peggy
Jack.

I'm led to believe that when they first married they lived in the Acton area.

Thank you.

[rosie99]

Duplicate post on Essex board

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=847657.

[F.H.]

Sorry, I don't understand.

Am I not allowed to make the same request on two sites when the person lived in both area's

Can you explain please?

[amondg]

Yes, it just alerts those who are searching there is a second posting and replies can be on either posting.

Starting with the marriage certificate who does John say is his father?
Who does Dorothy May Lawrence say is her father? 
This couple married 1914

There are a lot of White married to Lawrence combinations on the GRO index. Because of this we need the fathers names from the certificate to differentiate between families.

So far
Beatrice M 1923 at Brentford (on 1939 register)
John Kenneth 1927 at Romford
Ronald Paul 1928 at Romford
Stella C 1930 at Romford
Doreen C 1931 at Romford
George C 1934 at Romford
Gordon R 1932 at Billericay
George C 1934 at Romford
Derek G 1937 at Romford

There is a William born 1920 on the 1939 register so possibly William Edward 1920 at Brentford

I cannot find Alma, Peggy or Jack 

[amondg]

There is a Margaret Louisa 1917 at Brentford could she be Peggy? need to see if she belongs to another White/Lawrence family.

[F.H.]

Hi amondg.

Thank you, I thought I was doing something wrong...

So far, the only certificate that I have, is the birth cert for my aunt Doreen.
This gave me her mother and father's name and occupation which I stated.
I'm just trying to go back further and was hoping for more definitive info to proceed.

[aghadowey]

Posting replies more than one place causes confusion and extra work for those trying to help. There are now replies on this thread and other members could be looking at the ESSEX thread and searching for the same details not knowing the information is already here. That's why, if you do post the same request in more than one place, it's suggested posting a link to other thread to avoid needless duplication.

From the dates of children it might be that some of them are still alive? if so, we aren't allowed to post their details. Also, we are not allowed to do look ups or post details of 1939 register for others.

If might be best to start with looking up the 1939 Register (Ancestry or Find My Past) to get exact dates of birth. Next, since you are dealing with very common surnames, probably get the 1914 marriage certificate to confirm name and occupation of groom's father.
Have you found John in 1911 census yet? (we are also not allowed to do lookups for it but FamilySearch has some details from it). John might be listed with his parents, and possibly siblings, and places of birth will help trace back through other records.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/

You should also, if possible, check with other relatives to see what information they might know.

[F.H.]

Aghadowey.

I'm sorry if I've caused confusion, or extra work to anyone, not my intention at all.
Although I've been doing my family tree for several years as a hobby, I am not very familiar with the various sites... but excitement overtakes me at times lol...
As money is tight, I try to do my research as best I can, so don't purchase certificates unless I'm perfectly sure of the details.
Very few of the relatives are still with us, but I am in contact with Doreen's children (my cousins) and it is them I'm trying to help.

Thank you for the info.
F H

[Annette7]

Find my Past have service records for John George White.   Quite a lot of pages, but the synopsis being: John George White (later shown as born 30/5/1894) was born 1893, presumably 30/5/1893) and enlisted in Coldstream Guards 8/9/1914 at Fulham regimental no. 12417.   Definitely your man because lists his wife as Dorothy May Winifred Lawrence, married 7/3/1914 and then shows 2 children: John Richard White born 16/7/1914 Margaret Louisa White born 2/1/1917.   When enlisted was a Painter, born Hammersmith and address 53 Stirling Road, South Acton.  He was transferred to Labour Corps. 3/10/1915, regimental no. 641388.  Discharged 21/8/1918.   Also details his wounds on various occasions.

Possibly the John George White birth reg'd Sept.qtr.1893 Fulham, mmn Coombs.   If so, his parents were Edmund Joseph White and Clara Elizabeth Coombs although I can find no marriage between them.   However, no use relying on conjecture - one needs to have proof and I believe you definitely need to get the 1914 marriage certificate to confirm the couples respective fathers' names and occupations.  Alas, no full details of the marriage available online (may well have been in a register office).   If I've identified the right parents none of their children appear to have been baptised, possibly because they had never married.

Annette

The dau. Elma I. White birth Mar.1926 Hammersmith.