John George White

[MonicaL]

I was typing this up when your reply popped up John. Seems disjointed but will add for review later!

Elizabeth Ann's father, a married man...with someone else?

1841 entry in Mortlake:

Frederick Pfeifer 55 b. Foreign parts....occupation I think reads Musician
Elizabeth Pfeifer 55
Edward Pfeifer 25 same occupation as father
Alfred Pfeifer 20 shoemaker

There could also be another son, not showing on 1841, named Frederick like father?

Monica

[MonicaL]

Lilian and sister May's births under Coombs make sense, John. I can't remember whether from next child Edmund (or was it Richard??) that births were registered under the surname White, with mother's name noted in a variety of spellings for Coombs.

So, we are unlikely to find a marriage for them it seems 

Monica

[jonwarrn]

Hi
No, I don't think we will find a marriage, Monica.
I can't see an exam for Clara in Chelsea, which is a bit disappointing.

We can't be sure about who Edmund's family were, but just going back to Edmund Richard White the artist, born circa 1828 (he says in Clerkenwell), father of EJR born 1851.
It looks like by 1881 Edmund senior, age 53, has moved to Hammersmith(!) with a new young partner
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q273-Q4VQ

Electoral register, 1890, has an Edmund Richard White at 10 Percy Road, Hammersmith, which is very near indeed to Edmund/Edward + Clara, who were living in Davisville and Haydn Park Roads (1891 census, electoral registers, and Monica's school records)

Another newspaper sensation!
From July 1889
Edward Richard White, 61, of respectable appearance, an artist, of Percy Road, Shepherds Bush, charged with sending an explosive substance to John Theodore Tussaud, at Madame Tussaud’s Exhibition

He went to the Old Bailey
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=def1-631-18890729&div=t18890729-631

P.S. Hope it's the same guy!

[MonicaL]

  Oh my!!

[MonicaL]

Another confusing line with a brother to Edmund Joseph www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=584024.0

Monica

[MonicaL]

Sketches by Edmund Richard White www.meisterdrucke.uk/artist/Edmund-Richard-White.html

Also, www.lotsearch.net/lot/n-a-edward-edmund-richard-white-british-active-1864-1908-40873113?page=3

He showed as exhibiting some work at the RCA over the later part of the 1800s.

Monica

[MonicaL]

I found this family tree info on the Whites, starting with Henry White and Sophia Groves, grandparents to Edmund Joseph White www.tinkersunited.co.uk/public_dbs/linezz/p447.htm#i22342

Not much is known on Edmund Joseph sadly, but good background on some of the others.

Monica

[MonicaL]

That second marriage possibility, which would be bigamous
29 Feb 1880, St John Deptford
Edmund Joseph White, 28, Bachelor, Raly Guard, father Edmund Richard White, Architect
+
Mary Ann Haylock, 24

I think they might be in Islington in 1881, under her name!
Edward J Haylock 28 Railway Carman, born Clerkenwell
Mary Ann Haylock 25 Dressmaker, born Ely
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q279-VP5X

John, going back to this post. I have found an A/try tree relating to the first marriage www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/15709291/person/29133961287/facts. First wife, Mary Hughes, looks to have died in 1883. Lots of details including photos for their son Thomas  1870-1916 and his children. Thomas had a big family of 11 children with his wife Florence Parker.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Edmund Richard White remarried (2nd or 3rd time?) in 1885. He shows as a widower living at 3 Bradmore Park Terrace. His father Henry, an engraver. He married a 39 yr old spinster, Katherine O'Sullivan.

I think Edmund Joseph, son, was a witness. His signature below. Do we have anything for him to compare signatures I wonder from what we have found to date?