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Re: question on jewish history
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 17 April 25 22:51 BST (UK) »
On the subject of Lyon’s marriage I have the name of an Elizabeth born 1790-1869.
Lyon’s father Samuel lived 1760-1860. Both Samuel and Lyon were born in Hamburg I think.
I am related through Lyon’s son Alfred Asher 1830-1882 who married an Ann Lowe. (My 4th Great Grandparents)
Alfred’s daughter Mary Ann Asher is my 3rd G Grandmother, she married William Smedley (by now they’re all in Nottingham of course) 
They then had Arthur Smedley my 2nd G Grandfather who married Esther Westwick, then their son Albert Edward Smedley is my G Grandfather who moved to Liverpool and here I am!

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« Reply #37 on: Monday 21 April 25 10:30 BST (UK) »
If Jewish people do say ” You always know who your mother is ,your father——-?” then, again it seems to be yet another sweeping statement about paternity and can be quite hurtful.

Why?

Your mother bears you after carrying you for nine months ,there is no doubt unless a woman gives birth totally alone with no one else present as witness.
The father- well most people can be certain of who that is but not everyone .
Paternity can only be proved by blood group etc and d.n,a,tests.
Those have only fairly recently become available.

So the statement is right.
I am not  sure  what has upset you .
The statement was said by a Jewish lady at Manchester’s Spanish and Portuguese Synagogue,when I enquired how I might trace a baby girl born at the same time as me, I was given as my second name her first name hence the k in Viktoria ,they were German Jewish immigrants .We were both born in 1937,just before the real surge of the Nazis .
She was named after one of the last Kaiser’s daughters.
Jewish ancestry is traced via the maternal lines.
I was told that when we visited the Museum.

The Synagogue had closed for worship - the Jewish community had moved a good way ,to Prestwich and new Synagogues .
It became a Museum of Jewish Life in the early days of the Jewish community .in that area where they first settled in the 1800’s ,the first Synagogue was I believe The Great Synagogue near Victoria Station where the immigrants arrived on their journey from Europe.

I do not see any offence in the statement,it is fact said by someone in whose religious laws it is observed.
Paternity can be doubtful , maternity almost never.
No offence meant ,it was a statement of fact and common sense.
Viktoria.








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Re: question on jewish history
« Reply #38 on: Monday 21 April 25 10:57 BST (UK) »
my great grandmother married a jewish man early 1900's

i was told that she must have converted . Their son b 1906 was brought up in the Jewish faith but renounced  it and chose a more British surname in WW2

His mother  kept her married surname until her death 1952
ive not found. her burial yet to know if she had a Jewish or Christian burial 
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« Reply #39 on: Monday 21 April 25 12:07 BST (UK) »
Jewish genealogy is interesting,briefly the mother’s line is so important as Jewish people say,” You always know who your mother is ,your father——-?”
There is no little picture for the expressive shoulder shrug after such a “ one liner”.
Viktoria.

Two things I have heard asserted, but I don’t have any evidence for either of them:

1) This is why a woman will often tell her daughter’s husband that “[The baby] looks like you.” (To help reassure him and thus keep the family together.)

2) Women (and men?) will have a stronger link to their sisters’ children than to those of their brothers. (A safer investment at the genetic level.)
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« Reply #40 on: Monday 21 April 25 13:19 BST (UK) »
Viktoria, you mention you enjoy Jewish humour.... do you know the wonderful "Call from Long Island" sketch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFm5h5GM1BY

One of the funniest things I have ever heard I think.



I just get

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« Reply #41 on: Monday 21 April 25 15:10 BST (UK) »
Oh yes,it is truly hilarious ,a real take off by Jewish people of themselves.
The strong Bronx  accent adds to it all.
It goes on for a good while then the realisation!

“The Reading of the will” is another ,The Solicitor is reading the late Hymie’s will—-  .
“ To my cousin Moyshe who always said” Remember me in your will Hymie “
——-Hello Moyshie “.

Two Jewish men meet in the street —-
“ Well hello,Solomon, such a long time I’ve not seen you! “
“ Yes ,so nice to see you again too,Ytzak”
They chat for a while then one looks at his watch and says he has an appointment so must go .
The other comments on the beautiful watch  his friend is wearing .
“ Yes ,I got this watch from my grandfather “
“ Your Grandfather already! ”
“ Yes, he sold it to me on his deathbed” ——


It is a big people who can tell jokes about themselves .
Thanks for the reminder,I must listen to it again .
Viktoria.

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« Reply #42 on: Monday 21 April 25 16:07 BST (UK) »
"strong Bronx  accent"

It's Brooklyn, not Bronx.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hrA9-6o4tI
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« Reply #43 on: Monday 21 April 25 20:06 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the video,but I think it is more like Queens but I agree not Bronx but not really Brooklyn either.
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« Reply #44 on: Monday 21 April 25 21:35 BST (UK) »
If Jewish people do say ” You always know who your mother is ,your father——-?” then, again it seems to be yet another sweeping statement about paternity and can be quite hurtful.

Why?

Your mother bears you after carrying you for nine months ,there is no doubt unless a woman gives birth totally alone with no one else present as witness.
The father- well most people can be certain of who that is but not everyone .
Paternity can only be proved by blood group etc and d.n,a,tests.
Those have only fairly recently become available.

So the statement is right.
I am not  sure  what has upset you .
The statement was said by a Jewish lady at Manchester’s Spanish and Portuguese Synagogue,when I enquired how I might trace a baby girl born at the same time as me, I was given as my second name her first name hence the k in Viktoria ,they were German Jewish immigrants .We were both born in 1937,just before the real surge of the Nazis .
She was named after one of the last Kaiser’s daughters.
Jewish ancestry is traced via the maternal lines.
I was told that when we visited the Museum.

The Synagogue had closed for worship - the Jewish community had moved a good way ,to Prestwich and new Synagogues .
It became a Museum of Jewish Life in the early days of the Jewish community .in that area where they first settled in the 1800’s ,the first Synagogue was I believe The Great Synagogue near Victoria Station where the immigrants arrived on their journey from Europe.

I do not see any offence in the statement,it is fact said by someone in whose religious laws it is observed.
Paternity can be doubtful , maternity almost never.
No offence meant ,it was a statement of fact and common sense.
Viktoria.

Maybe, but seems strange that you bumped this thread and dredged up a post I made 4 years ago that I had up to now pretty much forgotten about. And who said I was "upset" about it?

Plus you already replied to this post 4 years ago it seems.  :-\
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