The Adelaide Brickwall - possibly Black Patch Gypsy

[osprey]

think that might be a bit too much to assume. Having looked up travellers before, I would say there seem to be some churches that are favoured but that could be down to the routes they followed.
I've looked on Findmypast, FamilySearch and Ancestry for an Adelaide with mother Amy and haven't found anything likely so far.

 

[MonicaL]

I think if you have access to these records then yes have a look through them to check.

I think in the excitement of finding Adelaide with Amy, I am guilty of letting guesses grab hold  Bad call really! You need to double check now and perhaps order the marriage of Amy to Thomas in 1914. I was looking at the 1911 census entry again, with Tom at this grandparents. His grandparents Tom and Ann are showing as only having had one child. This does not fit with the family we were looking at headed up by George and Catherine/Kate. So happpens there are two Thomas Broadheads born c. 1881-2 in the Birmingham area, and were were looking at the wrong one...so goodbye to that son/brother Billy 

I think this is the correct family:

1861 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7K1-NRW The young Thomas I believe is Tom's father.
1871 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5YL-5XQ

Struggling with 1881 and 1891, but I think this is young Thomas, again with grandparents, and a wife in 1901 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSZ6-D3Q  We have 1911 from earlier.

Would help you to confirm this through registrations though  Doesn't help you with Adelaide, but Thomas Broadhead looks to have very much featured in her life and your family, so would be good for you to be certain of his roots.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Thomas Broadhead b. 1855 married Sarah Armstrong in 1876 (parish marriage entry at Nechells, St Clement on a/try). I think this is him with his parents and wife www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-FL5W  His age is wrongly indexed. He would be c. 26 not 46. Young Thomas would have been born not long after the 1881 census.

Monica

[osprey]

his first marriage march 1901 Aston vol 6d pg 363 with Alice Jane Watts on the same page.

Death reg Alice Jane Broadhead 19 dec qtr 1901 vol 6d pg 244 

[osprey]

I've been distracted by Caroline Lovell's family. I think this is a sister of Caroline so possibly the Hercules on Caroline's baptism was an attempt at the first name

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG2Z-6SW

In 1871 there's an Archelaus Lovell with daughter Selina Clayton married to Frank/Francis
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-9R9R

Selina is Ann Selina on some records and I've spotted Ancelina on one, the 1901 census when they're at Black Patch in Handsworth, next page to the Smith group
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSQ5-M6P
the daughter enumerated as Mildred is baptised as Esmerelda 5 Jun 1889, Phineas is registered and baptised as Felix 19 March 1882.

[MonicaL]

Fascinating and frustrating group to follow up on 

You comment about first names, I am thinking this might be contributing to the problem in finding Adelaide's birth maybe.

Monica

[bbart]

Wow.  While I've been cruising through baptism records with no luck for Adelaide, you have all been highly productive!

As to Thomas Broadhead: his birth date is given as 26 Apr 1881.  There is a baptism for a Thomas Richard Broadhead which states a birth date of 27 Apr 1881.  (This is the one in Aston, son of George and Catherine).  You have already dismissed him, but one day out for a birthday is sooo close!  Of course it can't be him, as he is still with wife Sarah in 1925 records.... but what a coincidence.

It's like this family doesn't want unravelled!

There are several William Hall's with the occupation of carter, but as I look at them, there is nothing to attach them to Amy.

My thoughts are that either Amy and a William Hall had a "rendevouz", or Adelaide just made up a father for her marriage registration.
The Smith family in general doesn't seem to register a lot of the births.... not helpful!

I shall resume trolling through baptisms, and hope you have it all solved when I return!

(Well done, Monica and Osprey!)

[bbart]

And just for fun, as we don't know if there is another Caroline Smith:

Birmingham Daily Post 31 March 1900
Handsworth Police - At Handsworth Police Court,
yesterday morning  before Messrs. Griffiths, C.O. Ellis,
J. Lones, and W. E. Parkes -- Caroline Smith, a gipsy
from the "Black Patch", a piece of wasteground near to
Tangye's Works, was fined 40s, and 7s.6d costs, or
fourteen days, for fortune-telling.


Earlier Osprey gave the link for Amy's baptism.  There is a related baptism (cousin? brother?) directly across from it on the facing page: (link goes to image)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X43S-XJZ?i=264&cc=1462403

[rustyh]

wow, you are finding out so much about the family, but your right, its like a tangled web.

I may have found a lead to try in a publicaiton I bought.

There is a son of Woodfine and Sarah Smith (these are the parents of Esau Smith.
His name is Zachariah Smith (1806) who married Ann Davis (1812)
There have 9 children, one of which was called Jerusalem Smith (Baptised 3/12/1846) Note: This has aka Reuben Davis next to his name for some reason

Jerusalem Married Amelia (Camelia) Smithn (born 1855) who is down as the daughter of Esau and Sentenia Smith. So he married his cousin!!

They had 8 Children, one of which was named Sarah Smith (1872)
Sarah Married John Wilson on 15/04/1895 at St James, Handsworth.

Sarah and John had 4 Children, one of which was called Adelaide (born cira 1900)

Maybe there is a link to a hall somewhere!