Thank you again for your help rosie saxilby is what my aunt told me he was when he died so shes wrong , and i was only able to see a little of the paper info as im not paid subsciption to see all the details or i missed it but thats a gret help thank you , i just need to find his parents now to help me tie the mto my uncle tommy hardy born 1935 the thomas hardy i mentioned earlier in conversation i was wrong i ment thomas hard born 1872 married to mary ann smith regards mandy