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Devon Apprenticeship papers for Thomas Kingwell?
« on: Tuesday 06 April 21 09:07 BST (UK) »
Earnestly seeking Thomas Kingwell.... 1784-1848  ::)

We first meet Thomas at his wedding in Helston in 1811, then again in 1841 census there.
Sadly we find a death certificate before 1851, so no mention of where he was from, or who his parents were.  :'(
I thought it was time to see if more documents have become available, since I last tried to find this important person....

Thomas was a tailor, so as most trails lead me to Devon, I wondered  where he did his apprenticeship? Are there online records available for these?

Last year I had my Ancestry DNA test done and have found a 3-4th cousin who also has not found where our Thomas came from.
My feeling is that they may have been Non-Conformists, as 2nd names like Eve and Abraham are listed?

Any assistance would be very welcome, as I have been searching for him for abt 20 years, when we spent hours at Family Record Centres spinning through films and microfiche records!
 :-* ;D ???




Dobbins, Pitkin, Shepherd and White, Stokenchurch.
Clack, Berkshire. Kingwell, Cornwall and London. Wood, Surrey.

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Re: Devon Apprenticeship papers for Thomas Kingwell?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 06 April 21 10:31 BST (UK) »
The 1841 Helston, Cornwall census does state that Thomas was 'of the County' and the 1811 marriage stated he was 'of the borough'. He was educated in that he signed his name on the marriage using well formed lettering. He and Mary also gave some rather grand names to their children - the names of Septimus Horatius Augustus also imply some learning.
As to age - the 1841 census stated he was 50 - ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 years so he could have been 54 - born ca 1787. I know the burial in 1848 states he was 64, but he wasn't the one giving the information.
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Re: Devon Apprenticeship papers for Thomas Kingwell?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 06 April 21 11:39 BST (UK) »
The KINGWELL/KINGWILL surname seems to be more common in Devon.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/DevonWillsProject/DWP-K
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
 All UK census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Devon Apprenticeship papers for Thomas Kingwell?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 06 April 21 17:30 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for taking the time to cast fresh eyes over my Thomas Kingwell and his family!
One gets so caught up in what one doesn't know, that one forgets all the things we do know?  ;D

I realized that it took money to apprentice all his boys in different trades, but I need to go back and look at the images and records and see what I have forgotten...
I think I did check the index of wills....on microfiche at the Family Record Centre in London about 20 years ago. Those were the days! ;)
 So many people who moved to London gave inaccurate info on where they came from or said they were from where they were now living. In the country of their birth, things were likely different.
Also...it hadn't occurred to me to question the age listed at Thomas's death.  ;D
Dobbins, Pitkin, Shepherd and White, Stokenchurch.
Clack, Berkshire. Kingwell, Cornwall and London. Wood, Surrey.