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Robert Gourley circa 1860
« on: Thursday 01 April 21 17:30 BST (UK) »
Looking for the birth of Robert Gourley in Co. Down circa 1860 son of Robert Gourley and Grace Jameson, they were married in Gilnahirk Church 16 Jul 1864. Robert Gourley (1860) married Mary Jane Henderson 1881.
I have all details for Robert except his birth obviously he was born before his parents married so he might be Robert Jameson. I also have no info for Grace Jameson it shows on her wedding certificate her father was John Jameson.
Maghrascouse and Ballygowan are the areas.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Many thanks. Fran...
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GOURLEY
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Re: Robert Gourley circa 1860
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 01 April 21 18:05 BST (UK) »
Looking for the birth of Robert Gourley in Co. Down circa 1860 son of Robert Gourley and Grace Jameson, they were married in Gilnahirk Church 16 Jul 1864. Robert Gourley (1860) married Mary Jane Henderson 1881.

Civil registration of births started in Ireland in 1864.

Before that date, church records (if they are in existence) will need to be found, and you will need an idea of location (parish if not actual townland).

Here's the 1864 marriage in Gilnahirk Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11615/8275987.pdf

Magherascouse townland
https://www.townlands.ie/down/castlereagh-lower/comber-castlereagh-lower-portion/ballygowan/magherascouse/

Robert Gourley jnr also married in a Presbyterian church in 1881 so you probably need to look for Presbyterian baptism records.
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide-to-Church-Records-October-2019.pdf
P.324, P.270

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Re: Robert Gourley circa 1860
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 April 21 18:12 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your quick reply.
BEARDSHAW,   BELL, AKERS
UPPERDINE
CAREY
GOURLEY
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Re: Robert Gourley circa 1860
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 01 April 21 20:48 BST (UK) »
Does this assist ?
First Name   Surname   Year   Father's First Name   County
Robert   Jameson   1859      Down
Parish/District   Comber
Denomination   Church of Ireland
Date of Birth   08/09/1859
Date of Baptism/Registration   08/01/1860
Mother's Surname   Jameson
Comment 2   mother's occupation - sewer, child illegitimate, mother's residence Ballywilliam, no father recorded, no mother's maiden name recorded

From:https://www.ancestryireland.com/  (subscription site)


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Re: Robert Gourley circa 1860
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 01 April 21 22:38 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much Sam. This looks like the birth I have been searching for!! You are a star. Cheers and thanks again. Regards Fran.
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GOURLEY
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Re: Robert Gourley circa 1860
« Reply #5 on: Friday 02 April 21 11:51 BST (UK) »
just in case you are seeking further Gourley

from http://www.rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/G/Go.htm    
ROBERT GOURLEY   .   Kilmood   husband of Grace Jameson; father of John b. 3 Jun 1865   CR
Miss   Ann/ Anna   GOURLEY   .   Kilmood   daughter of John Gourley; married James Carse 17 Nov 1849 aged 18; mother of Robert b. 1865 & Agnes b. 1870 & Thomas b. 1872   BVR; CR
Miss   Ann   GOURLEY   .   Kilmood   mother of Thomas b. 15 May 1868   CR
Henry   GOURLEY   .   Kilmood   of Ballykeel ; leased a house & garden from James Ritchey in 1863   GV
James   GOURLEY   .   Kilmood   husband of Margaret Jane Carson ; father of Henry b. 2 Dec 1872   CR
Miss   Jane   GOURLEY   .   Kilmood   wife of William Joseph Scott ; mother of William b. 1872   CR
Miss   Mary   GOURLEY   .   Kilmood   wife of Thomas Kirk Gibson; mother of William Henry b. 1870   CR
Thomas   GOURLEY   .   Kilmood   son of John Gourley; aged 24, married Agnes/Nancy Carse 7 Oct 1848; father of Henry b. 23 Apr 1865 & Mary b. 4 May 1866 & Robert b. 7 Jan 1868 & Henry b. 18 Nov 1869 & Agnes b. 17 Nov 1870 & Martha b. 11 Oct 1872   BVR; CR

John Gourley b~1824 came to Kilmood? might be the line
could he be the son of  or the same person as found in the Tithe Applotment books
Gourley, John-Townland: Crossgar Year: 1833-Kilmore-Down-
Gourley, John-Townland: Oughley Year: 1834-Saintfield -Down-
Gourley, John-Townland: Rathcunningham Year: 1827-Killyleagh-Down-
Gourley, John-Townland: Toye Year: 1827-Killyleagh-Down-
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Re: Robert Gourley circa 1860
« Reply #6 on: Friday 02 April 21 13:47 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for all the very helpful information you have provided it is so useful and I appreciate your help and what a lot of information you have given me.
My Great grandfather was Robert Gourley circa 1860 and Ballygowan was the area he came from.
Once again many thanks. Regards Fran...
BEARDSHAW,   BELL, AKERS
UPPERDINE
CAREY
GOURLEY
MACKLEWAIN

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Re: Robert Gourley circa 1860
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 06 April 21 20:01 BST (UK) »
Hello again Fran21
the location of where the father John Gourley lived at the time of Roberts marriage  was halfway along the Magherascouse Rd, in the townland of Magherascouse the closest village/town being Ballygowan . They lived about a mile and half NorthEast of  Ballygowan
I looked entry up Griffiths valuation John Gourley
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=55&Submit.y=13&Submit=Submit&familyname=gourley&firstname=john&baronyname=&countyname=DOWN&unionname=&parishname=COMBER
you can look up each heading Details eg 1863 printed edition   Original Page   Map Views
Robert Gourley father was John Gourley farmer of Magherascouse townland
John ‘s farm  map ref 15 in the townland consisted of
19 acres 3 rood and 25 perchs  of land and a house valued at £1 fifteen shillings.

I don’t know what else you know !  Nevertheless in case it helps heres more info for you
To see the plot today go to google map find Magherascouse  Road which runs from Ballygowan all the way to the old ballygowan Road .    travel north on the Magherascouse . keep going past a lane on the left hand side then Loughview Road on the East side, the next turning on the west side of the divides into two lanes the right hand lane leads to the homestead original site via a sudden 90 degree turning north then use satellite view  to see  two buildings are visible possibly separated by a patch of Gorse?
I finiahed off a historical directory of Comber civil parish in 2008 , download free 30 mgbits
http://www.comberhistory.com/comber%20directory.pdf which doesn’t include the census
you will see the several references to Magherascouse in these entries for Gourley
but look up Magherascouse please.
Gourley,   Comber Area Magherascouse Or Ballygown Area   ReseArcher freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/
 ,   Roll Call Gcarse ‘At’ Burcom, Com, Au. 
Gourley   Agnes Jane Magherascouse Down: North Ballygowan Orange Hall & Church   Ulster Covenant 1912 in  www.proni.gov.uk   
Gourley,  Elizabeth,  Magherascouse  Householder in Griffiths Valuation ~1863 several websites have details  Document1
Gourley,  James,  Drumkirk Comber,  Down: North,  Comber,  Square (The),  Ulster Covenant 1912  www.proni.gov.uk       
Gourley,  James,  Magherascouse  Householder in Griffiths Valuation ~1863 several websites have details  Document1
Gourley   James Magherascouse Down: North Ballygowan Orange Hall & Church   Ulster Covenant 1912 in  www.proni.gov.uk   
Gourley,  Jane,  Miss.  Comber & Holywood Wife of William John Dugan; Mother of John B,  1865 & Mary B,  1871 CR,   freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/
Gourley,  John,   Comber Member of Ballygowan Flute Band In 1880 Photo,   freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/
Gourley,  John,  Drumkirk Comber,  Down: North,  Comber,  Square (The),  Ulster Covenant 1912  www.proni.gov.uk       
Gourley,  John,  Magherascouse  Householder in Griffiths Valuation ~1863 several websites have details  Document1
Gourley,  Joseph,  Magherascouse,  D/654/A3/1B,    Freeholder in  www.proni.gov.uk       
Gourley,  Lizzie,  Drumhirk   Comber,  Down: North,  Comber,  Square (The),  and Houses,  Ulster Covenant 1912  www.proni.gov.uk       
Gourley,  Mary Jane,  Drumhirk   Comber,  Down: North,  Comber,  Square (The),  and Houses,  Ulster Covenant 1912  www.proni.gov.uk   
Gourley,  Mary,  Miss.  Comber Received a prize at Magherascouse School Presentation Oct 1898 Msch P20,   freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/
Gourley,  Thomas,  Ballyaltikilligan,  D/654/A3/1A,    Freeholder in  www.proni.gov.uk       
Gourley,  Thomas,  Ballyaltikilligan,  DOW/5/3/2,    Freeholder in  www.proni.gov.uk       
Gourley,  Thomas,  Drumkirk Comber,  Down: North,  Comber,  Square (The),  Ulster Covenant 1912  www.proni.gov.uk       
Gourley,  Thomas,  Mr,  Comber of Magherascouse; Led The Psalms At Ballygowan Presbyterian Church In 1838 Msch P11,   freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/
Gourley,  Thomas-Ballygowan-Killinchy-Griffiths Valuation 1863?-Document1
/griffiths/down/killinchy.htm
Gourley,  William,  Crossnacreevy  Householder in Griffiths Valuation ~1863 several websites have details  Document1
Gourly  William Crossnacreevy D/654/A3/1N Freeholders in  www.proni.gov.uk       
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Re: Robert Gourley circa 1860
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 06 April 21 20:03 BST (UK) »
continued
 griffiths valuation continues in books held by the PRONI  see
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/information-and-services/search-archives-online/valuation-revision-books you can look them up for free 
Magherascouse   -   Magherascouse   Comber   Down   1866   1878   
Magherascouse   -   Magherascouse   Comber   Down   1879   1882   
Magherascouse   -   Magherascouse   Comber   Down   1883   1894   
Magherascouse   -   Magherascouse   Comber   Down   1895   1908   
Magherascouse   -   Magherascouse   Comber   Down   1909   1921   
Magherascouse   -   Magherascouse   Comber   Down   1921   1929   
you can look up each and see changes eg did

going back to John Gourleys birth https://www.ancestryireland.com/ one of these might be him
GOURLEY   JOHN   1836      Down   
GOURLEY   JOHN   1841      Down   
GOURLEY   JOHN   1850   JOHN   Down
familysearch.org  made me look at mary gourley b 1834 magherascouse how does she fit in

changing to Graces’s family
Jameson/ Jamison Ballywilliam Comber parishthe townland sits on the top left hand corner of Maghesascouse , southwards is Ballyrush adjoining Maghersascouse running down to Ballygowanbaalygowan townland is
John Jameson m
children
Grace Jameson possibly Ballywilliam
children
1. Robert Jameson / b 08/09/1859 baptism/registration 08/01/1860 Church of Ireland.
did he change name at Presbyterian marriage time in Gilnahirk to Grace Jameson whose father was John Jameson ?or when his young brother John b3 Jun 1865 robert later m Mary Jane Henderson
2. John  Gourley b3 Jun 1865

from Comber directory
Ballywilliam, Jameson, John, Ballywilliam, D/654/A3/1B,   Freeholders in  www.proni.gov.uk       
Ballywilliam, Jameson, John, Ballywilliam, D/654/A3/1Q,   Freeholders in  www.proni.gov.uk       
Ballywilliam, Jamison, Eliza, Down: North  Comber, 1st Presbyterian Church,  Ulster Covenant 1912 in  www.proni.gov.uk   
Ballywilliam, Jamison, Mary, Down: North  Comber, 1st Presbyterian Church,  Ulster Covenant 1912 in  www.proni.gov.uk   
Ballywilliam, Jamison, Mary, Down: North, Tullynakill, Homes,  Ulster Covenant 1912 in  www.proni.gov.uk   
freeholders show 3 entries at PRONI one dates from 1798 please look up
Surname   Forename   Address   ProniRef   Details   .
Jameson   John   Ballywilliam   D/654/A3/1B   More Details   .
Jameson   John   Ballywilliam   D/654/A3/1B   More Details   .
Jameson   John   Ballywilliam   D/654/A3/1Q   More Details   .
stopping !
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