Patrick Findlay b.12.7.1925 - Glasgow

[MonicaL]

What a great job you have done here, Ian 

Monica

[jamcat95]

Thank you Monica.

[HMac]

There's only one birth of a Patrick Findlay in 1925 in the Scottish birth indexes, Patrick McIntee Findlay, in Glasgow.

As it's less than 100 years ago, the birth certificate isn't available to view online. There are two options.

Just an update on this and sorry it has taken so long - unfortunately, and as expected, I was unsuccessful with the CWGC. The required evidence I submitted did not meet their very high bar.

They would be willing to commemorate him as a civilian on the Civilian Roll of Honour if I could supply a death certificate. This, too, will probably be impossible as he is not even recorded in the Deaths at Sea Register. The only proof of death being the Swedish records.

I had to wait until it came online but here are the birth details: Patrick McIntee Findlay b. 12.7.1925 at 48 Bell Street, Carlton, Glasgow to Edward Findlay and Helen Findlay m.s. Conway, married, 18.10.1921 at St. Rollox, Glasgow.

Patrick Findlay and his two shipmates, Thomas J. Mattey and Thomas Trigg have no grave but the sea and unfortunately are still forgotten by their country. I think I have taken it as far as I can unless anything else crops up.

Thanks to all who have contributed here.

Regards
Hugh

[scotmum]

If CWGC are insisting on sight of a death certificate have you considered approaching the registrars office for advice? For example, would there be any hope of achieving a delayed/late registration, as the overseas death was not registered at the time, by submitting evidence of the death (e.g., from shipping logs) and and any other supporting documents?

[scotmum]

Sadly, it seems Patrick had been orphaned young, if these details from an Ancestry tree are correct:

Death of mother Helen Conway (1889–1927)
7 OCT 1927 • 253 Duke Street, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Death of father Edward Findlay (1887–1927)
8 DEC 1927 • Belvidere Hospital, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

which perhaps explains no obvious follow through by family on Patrick having died - maybye he was brought up outwith the family.

He seems to have had at least one brother:

Edward Findlay
1920–1997

Maybe descendants of Edward would be willing to pursue any possibility of obtaining a death certificate in respect of Patrick. I have messaged the tree owner, directing them to this thread. They were active last month, so hopefully will see same. Their tree has 'unknown' against Patrick, in respect of death details.

[HMac]

Thanks scotmum,

Your observations about being orphaned young does seem to have been a factor in the follow through of his death.

Having re-read and re-evaluated what I have in evidence. I believe I may have enough for full commemoration for one of the seamen from MN records and maybe commemoration on the civilian Roll of Honour for the other two including, Patrick Findlay. I need to authenticate the origins of the documentation with the Swedes.

Thanks also for reaching out with to the family tree, that is appreciated. You never know.

I will try to move this on quickly now and hopefully report back with better news.

Hugh