looking for william manleys (1848 to 1901) father

[karenritchie]

Hi, My grt grt grandfather was a william manley 1848 to 1901 born in Cheshire. His mother was Anne manley (nee wright) who married a samuel manley born around 1805. He was born in Wales.They had 3 daughters Mary born 1836, Ann 1838 and Etty born 1840.
I therefore presumed that William's father was also Samuel. My problem is that  Samuel manley does not show in the 1841 census (it doesn't state if Ann is married or a widow). By the 1851 census it does state shes a widow.Therefore had samuel died by the 1841 census??
Also in the 1851 census William appears with Ann and his sisters. However he also seems to appear in another 1851 census as  a grandson staying in wales with his grandparents (his grandparent being a  samuel manley- he died I think in 1851 - father of above samuel manley). Possibly William just happened to be staying in 2 different places when the census was recorded in slightly different dates in 1851?
My question is can anyone tell me if Samuel Manley was the father of William , and the date of Samuels death?? Furthermore  if anyone can confirm Samuel's mother and father and dates? Many Thanks

[CaroleW]

If William was born 1848 either Samuel was his father & died between 1847-1851 or he was illegitimate.  Do you have a copy of Etty's birth cert to confirm Samuel's occupation?  If he was a mariner he may have been at sea in 1841

Etty Manley Dec qtr 1840 Wirral  19  304 (she died August 1841)

Do you have a copy of William's marriage cert?  Does he name Samuel as his father?

[CaroleW]

Samuel & Ann married 12.5.1834 St Michaels Liverpool.  Samuel was a widower

https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

There is a death in June qtr 1841 for Samuel Manley aged 37

[hanes teulu]

FindMyPast has the baptism of an Etty Manley, Dec 3rd 1840, parents Samuel and Ann, place Little Neston, father's occpn. carpenter.

[CaroleW]

There is a William Manley baptism 21.11.1847 Neston.  Mother Ann

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F35T-NFJ

[hanes teulu]

Parish Burial (FindMyPast)
Samuel Manley, 14 April 1841, place Little Neston, age 37

[Dundee]

There is a William Manley baptism 21.11.1847 Neston.  Mother Ann

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F35T-NFJ

It does appear that William was illegitimate.

MANLEY, WILLIAM
No mother's maiden surname
GRO Reference: 1847  D Quarter in WIRRAL UNION  Volume 19  Page 288

Debra 

[Dundee]

I think the William in Wales with grandparents in 1851 is this one.

MANLEY, WILLIAM
Mother's maiden surname: STONLEY     
GRO Reference: 1847  M Quarter in WIRRAL UNION  Volume 19  Page 341

Debra