Hitting A Brick Wall With Logan family

[Alan of Kaslo]

I believe know this to be Mary Ann Milner's death cert on SP.

   
MARY ANN
MILNER
   
69
1899
490/ 136
Stirling

If you search that death on SP site and purchase the document as I did the earlier ones here you will likely defintely see Mary ann Milner's parents.

The reason I can guarantee this is her is if you search deaths on SP site for Mary Ann Rose instead of Milner , same year:

MARY ANN
ROSE
   
69
1899
490/ 136
Stirling

Become a member of Scotland'd People site and then go to this link , purchase the document and enjoy 2 brand new grandparents!

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/record-results?search_type=people&dl_cat=statutory&dl_rec=statutory-deaths&surname=milner&surname_so=exact&forename=mary%20ann&forename_so=starts&other_surname_so=exact&mmsurname_so=exact&birth_year_range=1&record_type=stat_deaths

Follow that up with getting this doc of your grandpa George Rose's passing... which of course will gain you another 2 another new grandparents.

   
GEORGE
ROSE
   
62
1882
490/ 242
Stirling


https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/record-results?search_type=people&dl_cat=statutory&dl_rec=statutory-deaths&surname=rose&surname_so=exact&forename=george&forename_so=starts&other_surname_so=exact&mmsurname_so=exact&birth_year_range=1&rd_real_name%5B0%5D=STIRLING&rd_display_name%5B0%5D=STIRLING_STIRLING&rdno%5B0%5D=STIRLING&record_type=stat_deaths

[Alan of Kaslo]

What I want to know out of this whole thread...

What exactly is showman George Rose doing in this travelling show?

Anyhow Mark ... hope this all puts a small crack in the brick-wall you had... most of it you already knew but maybe some of the latter stuff might help with your tree.

I don't have any paid subscriptions. Just used SP site, FreeCen , FreeBMD, familysearch and google thus far here. The "other" site almost always leads me astray unless i'm 100% on my game.

[Alan of Kaslo]

In my amateur opinion I believe this to be Mary Ann Milner's birth and alt-surname spelling..

   
MARY
MILNE
Parents:
DAVID MILNE/ELIZA LEIGHTON
   
F
18/03/1830
312/
100 195
Montrose

Time will tell when Mark gets those previously mentioned SP docs...if he wants to.

[marklogan]

Again, thank you so much. It is more information than I ever expected. The quest to find out what George Rose was doing in the travelling show starts now 

Before that thought I'm going to look into all of this information you've provided and ensure I've got documents to back all of the links up.

The interesting thing on that marriage document for Elizabeth Rose you provided is that George Rose is listed as the father (deceased) of Elizabeth Rose. On the Freecen document though it lists Elizabeth as the granddaughter. I have her birth record as being the daughter of Harriet whom I presumed when I saw the Freecen screenshot that she had died at the time of that record. If she didn't know who her father was, would it be normal practice to list her grandad as the father on the marriage certificate?

...unless I've got myself in a bit of a tangle with it all

[Alan of Kaslo]

Yes , censuses can have wrong information, wrong dates , flipped info for two people etc

Not sure in that case what's happening.

I think before George Rose started doing his Travelling Show....before he moved to Stirling Scotland... he was a Joiner in 1871.

Found through FreeCen:

https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5902f993e9379091b11822f6/george-rose-1871-durham-stockton-1821-?locale=en

Some good clues to glean. Based on the names I believe this to be the same family. Would you agree?

[Alan of Kaslo]

The Joiner part made me think..hmm maybe there are 2 George Rose's from Manchester of about the same age with wife Mary Ann and daughter Harriet.

Unless George was doing Joinery before his travelling show...not a stretch. It should say wife from Montrose Scotland not Sheffield though so that throws flags.

I checked SP site under 1871 census Montrose and there was a pile of them...even a George Rose living with a Mary Ann and I got all excited. Turns out it was a different George Rose. Not the one were looking for.

[Rosinish]

Has George & Mary Ann been found on 1851 & 1861 to see what his occ. was & what occ. is on baptisms (sometimes) or birth certs. for children along the way?

His occ. on marriage too.

Annie

[Alan of Kaslo]

I see it all on the 'other site there that starts with an A

..let my subs slip and found that helped me learn to search harder.

One could search George Rose 1820 , spouse Mary Ann Milner and have at it with the spoonfeeding... and that is awesome for sure but I have found many...many trees with glaring errors. In this case though it does line the censuses up bang, bang, bang.

Of course same thing can be done almost as well for for on the site that starts with an F 

Well after spending an hour looking I retract my last sentence. Whereas it is all laying at the other $ite for the taking.

[Alan of Kaslo]

Here are the kids of I can find with father's name Rose , Mother's name Milner (or similar)

 ROSE, WILLIAM        MILLINER     
GRO Reference: 1841  S Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 311

Since George and Mary Ann Milner married in 1843 I'm not sure what to make of the above one.

"Marriage
22 May 1843 • St Marys, Eccles, Lancashire, England

George Rose, a bachelor, Baker, father, William Rose, a Weaver, married Mary Ann Milner, spinster, father William Milner, a Moulder. George & Mary were both living at Pendleton."

Add baking to George Rose's talents?

Here are the boys listed on GRO:

    Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   ROSE, GEORGE        MILNER     
GRO Reference: 1843  M Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 20  Page 588
 
    ROSE, JAMES        MILNER     
GRO Reference: 1851  M Quarter in BURY LANCASHIRE  Volume 21  Page 373

Girls:

     Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   ROSE, SELINA        MILNER     
GRO Reference: 1844  M Quarter in ROCHDALE  Volume 21  Page 725

    Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   ROSE, MARY        MILNER     
GRO Reference: 1847  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 20  Page 572

     Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   ROSE, JANE        MILNER     
GRO Reference: 1853  S Quarter in PRESTON  Volume 08E  Page 420

    ROSE, ELIZABETH  ANN      MILNER     
GRO Reference: 1857  J Quarter in PRESTON  Volume 08E  Page 468

   ROSE, HARRIET        MILNER     
GRO Reference: 1855  S Quarter in PRESCOT  Volume 08B  Page 424

     Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   ROSE, ANN  TERESA      MILNER     
GRO Reference: 1858  D Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 53

   ROSE, CLARA        MILNER     
GRO Reference: 1860  S Quarter in BRADFORD AND NORTH BIERLEY

A bit tedious to search the GRO manually like that but it produces results.