Lookup please, Samuel Dean marriage 1829

[ucdom]

Hi

After searching I managed to locate what I believed was the marriage of my ancestors Samuel Dean and Eliza Oyler at the church of St Martin in the fields Westminster.
However, it transpires that what I uncovered was only the marriage banns. I noticed that, on the same page, the actual dates of marriages for other couples were annotated in the margin, but there is no similar annotation for Samuel and Eliza.

So, I have two questions really: where are the actual registers of the marriages themselves, since I cannot seem to find them for this parish? If anyone has access and can hunt down Samuel and Eliza that would be much appreciated. I'm desperately hoping to find out who his father was.

The second question: if the is no marriage annotation, does that mean the registrar forgot to go back and make the note, or did the marriage not occur or could it have occurred elsewhere? If anyone has experience with similar issues, I'd be interested to hear about it.

All I know of my ancestors is that Eliza originated in Winchelsea, had an illegitimate child with Samuel, who is described as being from Hastings in the bastardy exam papers, and then they appeared in Hull in the 1830s with a number of other children, one of whom was born in London.
Samuel was a stone mason and only appeared in the 1841 census (working on a restoration project in Roos) before dying of consumption in 1845. I therefore have no specific info on his origin other than 'Hastings' and no evidence of a Samuel Dean born in that area around 1803.  So, I'm depending on that marriage entry!

Many thanks in advance for any help

Andrew

[Dundee]

Civil registration started in 1837 so before that father's names are not recorded in Church of England parish registers.

where are the actual registers of the marriages themselves, since I cannot seem to find them for this parish?

You can search for one of the other couples on the page, William WOOD and Jane SOUTHERN for example and see their actual marriage entry in the St Martin registers.

Debra 

[Dundee]

I see that their children, including George born in 1828 were baptised in the Primitive Methodist church in Hull.  That is better news if they did ever marry because the Methodist registers tended to give more information.  At the moment I cannot see any marriages in the Mill Street Chapel.

Debra 

[Bookbox]

I see that their children, including George born in 1828 were baptised in the Primitive Methodist church in Hull.  That is better news if they did ever marry because the Methodist registers tended to give more information.  At the moment I cannot see any marriages in the Mill Street Chapel.

Between 1754 and 1837 all marriages had to be in an Anglican (C of E) church to be legally recognised (except for Quakers and Jews). So they won’t have married in a Methodist or other Protestant nonconformist chapel at that period.

where are the actual registers of the marriages themselves, since I cannot seem to find them for this parish?

The actual registers for St Martin in the Fields are at the City of Westminster Archives Centre in London. The relevant register is digitised on Ancestry (Westminster, London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1823-1875). These marriages are also indexed on FindMyPast and FamilySearch. As the marriage isn’t coming up on any of those 3 sites, it looks like they didn’t marry there, despite having banns called.

Perhaps the net will have to be cast wider, or they may have married later, or not at all?

[ucdom]

Hi

Thanks for the useful tips - I was able to view images of the actual marriage register entries at St Martin in the Fields by searching for adjacent couples on the banns register, as suggested.

Looks like Samuel's origins will remain mysterious for a while yet unless I can find some evidence of him having apprenticed as a stonemason or some other document sitting in a parish chest somewhere (like the Winchelsea bastardy papers I found already).

Thanks again

Andrew