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Re: POLAND (Germany?) Birth of Adam Grzybowski about 1806. Possible death in US.
« Reply #54 on: Friday 19 March 21 12:37 GMT (UK) »
The Edinburgh lodge is closed temporarily and the webpage is not working. I have written to the London lodge which seems to be quite active. Davecapps told me Adam was 37 when he joined that lodge in 1847. This came from a document I don't have access to on Ancestry (from Australia). On the "Wouldn't fib to an honourable society" theory that would mean 1810 is the most likely birth year.

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Re: POLAND (Germany?) Birth of Adam Grzybowski about 1806. Possible death in US.
« Reply #55 on: Friday 19 March 21 17:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi

There is this birth reg baptism in Kraków:

Year:           1812
Record:        241
Name:         Adam Thomasz
Surname:    GRZYBOWSKI
Father:         Piotr
Mother:        Anna SOBOLEWSKA
Parish:         Kraków WNMP (Mariacki)
Place:           Kraków

A scan should be somewhere in here:

https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/14604773

WNMP (Mariacki) = Parish of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary

Gaie

Added:  The first son's name is probably Wladislaus
Sussex, Burwash/Somerset/South London: PANKHURST/FABLING/GREEN/KING/PARROT/POPE/PEMBROKE
Notts/Leics/London: POLLARD/BELAND/FELLS/MORRISON/MARYSON/CLARKE
Northants: MARRIOT/T
Suffolk: LINGLY/LINGLEY/LINDLY/LINDLEY/ SEAGER /SIGGER/SEGGAR/VINCE
Gloucs: WINDOW Glamorgan: JENKINS Cardiganshire: JONES
Poland: OZIEMKIEWICZ France: LINETTE

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Re: POLAND (Germany?) Birth of Adam Grzybowski about 1806. Possible death in US.
« Reply #56 on: Friday 19 March 21 21:13 GMT (UK) »
That is interesting! It would explain why Lukasz couldn't find him at Poznan. I am a little unsure about the parish name, though. Parish of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary sounds Catholic to me. Would I be right to assume that? If he was baptised a Catholic, that does not sit terribly well with him being in freemasons' lodges in Scotland and England.

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Re: POLAND (Germany?) Birth of Adam Grzybowski about 1806. Possible death in US.
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Re: POLAND (Germany?) Birth of Adam Grzybowski about 1806. Possible death in US.
« Reply #58 on: Friday 19 March 21 21:30 GMT (UK) »
Thanks. The sure do go on a bit, 11 lines before they get to the child's name!

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Re: POLAND (Germany?) Birth of Adam Grzybowski about 1806. Possible death in US.
« Reply #59 on: Friday 19 March 21 21:36 GMT (UK) »
Well, seven lines anyway. I'm still half asleep here in Australia lol.

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Re: POLAND (Germany?) Birth of Adam Grzybowski about 1806. Possible death in US.
« Reply #60 on: Friday 19 March 21 21:55 GMT (UK) »
can you get someone to translate the entry? I could post it in a German forum i´m a member of
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Re: POLAND (Germany?) Birth of Adam Grzybowski about 1806. Possible death in US.
« Reply #61 on: Friday 19 March 21 22:00 GMT (UK) »
That would be very useful. My cousin knows someone who speaks Polish so I have suggested she run it past them. I have also sent it to Lukasz in Poznan, asking if it mentions anything about Piotr being a barrister, and asking about the parish. It is possible Adam was baptised a Catholic and was a Protestant by the time he reached the UK (and joined lodges) but less likely, I think.

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Re: POLAND (Germany?) Birth of Adam Grzybowski about 1806. Possible death in US.
« Reply #62 on: Saturday 20 March 21 12:09 GMT (UK) »
The genealogist Lukasz Bielecki in Poznan (who reads Polish, naturally) has some supportive comments for the Krakow baptism. I sent him the scan and asked particularly about Adam's later reference to his father as a barrister, and the denomination of the church. His prompt reply:
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Of course it is a Catholic church. We had really very few native Polish Protestants (if we forget people of German descent, sometimes distant). I assume when he made his life in Scotland, he just joined the mainstream church that is in Scotland. I think being Catholic in Britain was still
hard those days.
This may be the right Adam Tomasz, son of Piotr. It is hard to believe such a combination would happen often, and the social position of the father seems adequate. Barrister might not necessarily have been meant in a super-strict sense, maybe more like someone into law generally. In this
particular record, Adam is listed as customs officer. But being a customs officer assumes some degree of education, maybe in law, so it is plausible. If the family were farmers or day laborers, I would also think it was just a coincidence of names.
The issue with the letter is just anecdotal. The library arose from a collection of books and other artefacts gathered by a Poznan based count in the 19th century. Maybe he acquired the letters of a Parisian Polish emigrant just because he found them relevant, and that's why this letter is now in Poznan.
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I'm willing to accept that this is our man, and have made that case to my cousin. Piotr might have been a customs officer in 1812 but have risen to something more like a barrister by 1842, when Adam gave him that title in his second marriage documents.
Geoff