Sorry DCB, yes I do mean Lower Church Gate. Thanks for the map. I have studied it long and hard and have found Church Gate and Lower Church Gate but I can't find Belgrave Gate at all. Is it not marked on the map. Perhaps it's the bit where the word TRAMWAY is printed? Anyway, what I wanted to know is how close they were and the answer would seem to be - very close. So thank you so much for that.