Carl Gustav Hahm/Gustav Hahm

[princess41]

Also referred to as Gustav Hahm.  Migrated to Australia 1878 on Lammershagen with family of Leopold Hahm.  Ships record says he was Gustav aged 5.    1903 Electorate Roll states address Beaudesert Road Coorparoo.  I have researched the rest of the family.  Just stuck on Gustav.

There is a 1925 U.S. Naturalization Record, Winsconsin, for a Gustav Hahm (b.1873)   Thoughts as to whether this would be the same person.   

Any idea where I might locate a death certificate, or a shipping record to the US or anything?

Many thanks.  Glenys

[TreeSpirit]

Could he have been in Queensland until at least 1922?:
Gustav Hahm
Australia Electoral Rolls, 1893-1949
Residence: 1903-1906  - Beaudesert Road, Coorparoo,Queensland
Residence: 1909-1911 – Ipswich rd, Rocklea near Swamp Creek Bridge, South Brisbane, Queensland (? Since July 1905)
Residence: 1913-1914 Sandy Creek, Annerley, South Brisbane (since 19 Apr 1913)
Residence: 1913-1917 - Glencoe, Cunnamulla, Queensland
Residence: 1919 - Coorparoo,Queensland
Residence: 1922 - Sandy Creek, Cracknell Rd., Coorparoo, Queensland

[princess41]

Thank you TreeSpirit.

Yes, I believe he could have been in Queensland until at least 1922.  I have not been able to find anything about him and family lore many decades ago stated he went outback in Queensland and may have drowned.  His mother died in 1933 and no one was able to contact him.  All I have on him was that he was the black sheep of the family.  He wore an eye patch and sold clothes props from his horse and cart.

If he did travel to America would there be a record here of his leaving Australia and if so where would I look for this?

Your help is much appreciated. 

Glenys

[sparrett]

Although you are not looking for information on the siblings of this chap, would you mind listing their names please?

Sometimes this helps in locating a person of interest at a given time.
Thanks,
Sue

[majm]

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Also referred to as Gustav Hahm.  Migrated to Australia 1878 on Lammershagen with family of Leopold Hahm.  Ships record says he was Gustav aged 5.    1903 Electorate Roll states address Beaudesert Road Coorparoo.  I have researched the rest of the family.  Just stuck on Gustav.

There is a 1925 U.S. Naturalization Record, Winsconsin, for a Gustav Hahm (b.1873)   Thoughts as to whether this would be the same person.   

Any idea where I might locate a death certificate, or a shipping record to the US or anything?

Many thanks.  Glenys

Have you considered asking on the US RChat board re their immigration records, death certificates, census records giving details of US family for the chap on that US naturalisation? 

Does the US naturalisation record you have already found show that chap's arrival to the US .... name of ship, month and year, east coast or west coast arrival, and marital status ....  that info could be useful to help confirm or eliminate the US based chap.

Re the possible black sheep status,  and his possible disappearance in outback Queensland ..... have you investigated any archives for Qld inquests?   Did the family insert notices in newspapers looking for him or news of him? 

JM

[princess41]

Thank you to Sue & Majm

Siblings are Johan Leopold Paul b 1868, Augusta Wilhelmine Annie b 1870, Carl Gustav b 1873 ( who I am researching), Ada Marie Emily b 1878, Emma Louise b 1880, Anna Margaretha b 1884.

Majm, I wasn't aware of a US RChat board.  Thank you.  I will follow that up.

I saw on Ancestry a Gustav Hahm in the US Naturalization Record Index.  It only seems to be an Index Card so I don't know if or how it is possible to get more information.  Is that something I can follow up on the US RChat board also? I have no idea of a ship or a date and that is why I asked if there may be a record in Australia of a departure, and living in Canberra I wondered if there were somewhere here I may be able to find that information.  The index card states date of Naturalization  9 March 1925. Country of birth Germany and born 1875.  Not 1873 as I stated earlier.

No one in the extended family (which are all cousins now), knows anything as we were only told this family story up to 50 years ago of his disappearance and the possibility he drowned out west in   Queensland but I have not been able to locate anything in Trove and I have looked into missing persons in Queensland but found nothing. 

Because it is not such a common name it could be that he went to America but I would like to have proof.

Glenys

[maddys52]

Unfortunately there are a number of Gustav HAHMs in the US - the naturalisation card you mentioned is free to view on familysearch:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPQQ-8VRR?i=3110&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AXKG9-MXR

It notes that a prior petition was filed on 2 July 1920, so if your man was the one on the Australian electoral role in 1922, then I would guess this is not him in the US.

[maddys52]

I'm sure you have this already - obit for mother in 1933 which mentions son "Gus":
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article22162609

and mentioned in funeral notice for sister in 1903
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article19243687

[princess41]

Hi Maddys52.  Thank you for your reply.

I viewed that Nat.Card and it tells me very little.  I need to have definite proof this is him so I will see if anyone in the US can help me out with further information.  I posted on the USA site.  In the meantime I will keep researching here.  I had the obituaries from Trove but thank you.

Cheers Glenys