Author Topic: Abraham JESSON (??-1777), son of John JESSON m. Frances ORTON 1686 Whitwick area  (Read 890 times)

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I am descended from Abraham JESSON (??-1777) who married Elizabeth SHERRIN (??-??) at Whitwick in 1714.

I have seen a number of family trees that assert that Abraham JESSON's parents were John JESSON and Frances ORTON, but I can find no evidence either of Abraham JESSON's birth or the marriage of his alleged parents. If anyone recognises any of these names, I'd appreciate some help !!

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Duncan

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Re: Abraham JESSON (??-1777), son of John JESSON m. Frances ORTON 1686 Whitwick area
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 18 February 21 08:32 GMT (UK) »
It seems nobody has taken up the baton here, so I have spent some time digging into this.
When faced with a lack of parish register entries, as this case seems to be, the first thing I always look for are wills. they can be a mine of information.

Your Abraham Jesson died in 1777.
Have you got his will?
It is on findmypast (and lovely images they are too. Full colour instead of the grainy old black and white ones you get from other counties on there!).
He is a Tailor from Whitwick.
He has sons Abraham , John , William and George, plus daughters.

Rewind a hundred years, and there is another will for an Abraham Jesson, in 1678. He is a carpenter, and lives at ‘Swanyngton’ - Swannington, which is about 1 mile from Whitwick as the crow flies.

With such an unusal name, and so very close, there would seem  a good possibility they were related.

Abraham in 1678 has sons Abraham and John , and daughters Mary, Sarah and Ann.
Son John is the executor.

Yet another will of an Abraham Jesson in 1734 also has him as a carpenter of Swannington. He is ‘aged and infirm’. Not hard to imagine he is the son of the Abraham in 1678,
(There is an ‘Abrm’ Gesson baptised 15.12.1654 of Abrm and Mary at Whitwick).
This Abraham of the 1734 will has sons Robert, John, Joseph, Benjamin, and daughter Katherine.
John is the executor and gets the residue of the estate.
(Perhaps this is the John of the other trees you’ve seen).

HOWEVER, there is a will of a John Jesson 1757, carpenter of Swannington,  with brothers Robert and Benjamin, and sister Catherine, which would seem to be the son of Abraham of 1734. This John is a bachelor, and leaves his worldly goods to his brothers and sister and nephews - I didn’t see an Abraham Jesson mentioned, but that’s not to say he didn’t exist at that point in time - he may just not have had any bequest from John (or I may have missed it).
There are also wills for a Benjamin of Swannington in 1783,  Robert Jesson in 1766, and a Catherine Jesson of Swannington 1765, amongst many others, which I have not looked at.

There does seem to be a dearth of baptisms and marriages for all these Jessons on the common research sites.
However, there are quite a few at Winwick listed under ‘Jeston’.
Thomas 1716 of Abraham and Elizabeth at Whitwick. 
Elizabeth 1718 of Abraham and Elizabeth at Whitwick.
Sarah 1723 of Abraham and Elizabeth at Whitwick,
and John 1715 son of Abraham and Elizabeth - this is transcribed as ‘Jegson’, but in the actual register I’d say the ‘g’ is actually an ‘s’. It is also at at Whitwick
Plus others for different parents under ‘Jeston’.
If you say ‘Jesson’ and ‘Jeston’ quickly, you get pretty much the same word.

It may well be that there are other births etc in the registers, but the name has been transcribed as something that the research sites are not picking up as alternatives to Jesson. (I think I only found ‘Jeston’ as I did a search for any John born at Whitwick between certain dates. The sites don’t recognise it as a variation of ‘Jesson’.)
The registers are on findmypast, and are not too difficult to read. Depending on how many hours you have, and are prepared to take, I’d be wanting to go through all the pertinent pages for the dates I’d hope to find people.

There are many other Jesson wills for Leicerstershire - I was surprised how common the name was.
The ones I have looked at I scanned through pretty quickly - it would be well worth your while to look at them and trandcribe them properly  - it’s not beyond the realms of possibilty that I’ve missed something.

If I were you, I would be combing many of these wills to see how the family all fitted together, and whether there is any mention of your Abraham in any of them. Possibly as a nephew or brother to another Jesson.
Perhaps draw up a family tree starting with Abraham in 1678, and fanning out with all the names from the wills in each generation so you can keep track of them all.

Lots of avenues for further research

Good luck!   
   

And no, I couldn’t find a marriage for a John Jesson and a Frances Orton either.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Abraham JESSON (??-1777), son of John JESSON m. Frances ORTON 1686 Whitwick area
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 18 February 21 14:42 GMT (UK) »
Wow ! That's a response !! Thank you for taking what must have been a large amount of time trawling through these records - I hadn't expected anyone would do that !

I had actually gone through the wills in a similar way to you - they do seem to be quite clear for Leicestershire. This yields (I think) a gap in the available records between Abraham JESSON (Will 1678) and Abraham JESSON (Will 1777) (who, according to other trees, is his grandson).

Abraham JESSON (Will 1678) has sons Abraham and John (and daughters); Abraham has will 1734 but, unfortunately, John has no will (that I can find), nor any other records (that I can find). It is this John who (according to there trees) marries Frances ORTON and has Abraham JESSON (Will 1777), though again I can find no records for the birth of the son Abraham JESSON (Will 1777).

As you advised, I have tried various surname spellings and searches within relevant dates using first names only.

I have read that the ORTON's were a Quaker family - I have a birth record for Frances ORTON, and I think her father Thomas ORTON married Eleanor MUGGLESTON (another quaker family), so maybe I need to look more closely at available Quaker records.

Again, thank you for taking the time to respond in such a fulsome way - it is slightly reassuring that we have at least approached the problem in the same way !

Regards
Duncan

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Re: Abraham JESSON (??-1777), son of John JESSON m. Frances ORTON 1686 Whitwick area
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 18 February 21 20:13 GMT (UK) »
Your quote:
 
 "Abraham JESSON (Will 1678) has sons Abraham and John (and daughters); Abraham has will 1734 but, unfortunately, John has no will (that I can find), nor any other records (that I can find). It is this John who (according to there trees) marries Frances ORTON."

Surely this is the will of John, son of Abraham 1734 will? (from my post before)
He has the exact same brothers and sisters mentioned in their father's will.
Same place, same occupation.

"HOWEVER, there is a will of a John Jesson 1757, carpenter of Swannington,  with brothers Robert and Benjamin, and sister Catherine, which would seem to be the son of Abraham of 1734. This John is a bachelor, and leaves his worldly goods to his brothers and sister and nephews - I didn’t see an Abraham Jesson mentioned, but that’s not to say he didn’t exist at that point in time - he may just not have had any bequest from John (or I may have missed it)"

Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs


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Re: Abraham JESSON (??-1777), son of John JESSON m. Frances ORTON 1686 Whitwick area
« Reply #4 on: Friday 19 February 21 10:09 GMT (UK) »
Well, I think

Generation 1.
Abraham JESSON (Will 1678) has two sons Abraham and John (and daughters). Son Abraham has a will (1734), son John has no will.

Generation 2.
Abraham (will 1734) mentions sons and daughters (Robert, John, Joseph, Benjamin, Catherine). His son John (Will 1757) mentions same brothers and sisters.

So it is the John from father Abraham JESSON (Will 1678) that is purported to marry Frances ORTON, and the one that has me at a dead end.

Hope this clarifies? Again, thanks for your response.

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Re: Abraham JESSON (??-1777), son of John JESSON m. Frances ORTON 1686 Whitwick area
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 February 21 20:10 GMT (UK) »
Ah ok.
Different generation of John then.

I guess you have gone with the same process with Orton wills to see if he is mentioned?

Good luck  :)
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Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
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Re: Abraham JESSON (??-1777), son of John JESSON m. Frances ORTON 1686 Whitwick area
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 22 April 25 12:57 BST (UK) »
the persons mentioned are also my direct ancestors. They and the other people mentioned in the thread are all in my tree on Ancestry, with DNA, & on Find My Past. I have found lots of documents on both sites plus things found by others & shared. This includes all the wills the other respondent mentioned. I have downloaded the pages from FindMyPast & uploaded to Ancestry. If you search for Jesson & Orton on Ancestry you will surely find my tree. If you have done DNA you should come up as a match to me. In some documents its hard to read the writing & there is no transcription for any of wills. Shame no has had time to do one privately. I also have found no marriage record for John Jesson & Frances Orton. It will most likely be a Quaker meeting record & possibly under Twycross as some other Leicestershire Quaker marriages & baptisms have been recorded as at Twycross. but given the impronment of many Quakers including the Orton family in about 1660 families may have hidden their non-conformist beliefs by attending CofE services. RC families also did this to avoid persecution, imprisonment & death.  Mugleston (various spellings) were another prominent Quaker family described as "of Swannington" in one private document. But mine are in Breedon on the Hill - or rather seem to own land at Wilson & Tonge - both in the parish of Breedon on the Hill. Remember some of these "close to the county border" places have com eunder Derbyshire instead of Leicestershire at times. So worth looking at church records in both counties. NB if anyone in my tree has multiple ??? or NEEDS PROOF - then do NOT copy them as they are subject to further research & may change daily.
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