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Offline Bonnie Knight

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The Mystery Of My Grandmothers Parentage
« on: Sunday 14 February 21 18:07 GMT (UK) »

My grandmother never spoke of her biological parents, and was raised by an aunt.
Whilst compiling my family tree, the few facts that I've uncovered are mind boggling.
I have found her biological parents. The mother was married to another man when she became pregnant with my grandmother. The 1939 census shows all three (mother, husband and lover)all living together under the same roof! His marital status also says 'Widow', which adds to the confusion. Each to their own I suppose, but I cannot find anything about how/where the father passed away, and I'm not 100% sure of his birth/parents, let alone who he was married to. There are a few possibilities for his parents, but I don't want to guess.
Also, I came across a document that says my grandmother was a widow at 20 years old, when she married my grandfather, I cannot find any evidence to back this up though.
If anyone can help, I'd really appreciate it.

Here's the facts:
My grandmother - Dorothy Gladys Knight (born Hayward)
                           17th March 1919 Hackney - 5th Feb 1993 Edmonton/ Enfield
Her bio parents - Alice Louisa Walls (born Hall)
                          16th Oct 1885 Finsbury London - 12th Dec 1962 Middlesex
                          Walter Charles Hayward
                          13th Aug 1874 Mile End Old Town - ??

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Re: The Mystery Of My Grandmothers Parentage
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 February 21 18:53 GMT (UK) »


 Do you have Dorothys actual birth certificate?

 Dorothy G Hayward  mmm Walls. 1919.
 
 A marriage Walter Charles Hayward
                  Phoebe Ellen WALLS 1905 Bethnal Green
 A death Phoebe E Hayward 1920 Hackney aged 38.

 So Walter would be the father but Phoebe the mother.


 Tazzie



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Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: The Mystery Of My Grandmothers Parentage
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 February 21 19:01 GMT (UK) »
Regarding Dorothy’s marriage.

Marriages Dec 1940   (>99%)
Hayward    Dorothy G    Knight    Edmonton    3a   2936    
Knight    Henry P    Hayward    Edmonton    3a   2936

No sign (on the index) of her having another name from a previous marriage.   
What does that certificate say?

What is the documentation that suggests she was a widow?

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Re: The Mystery Of My Grandmothers Parentage
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 February 21 19:02 GMT (UK) »
1911

 Walter Charles Hayward hd m 35 a looking glass frame maker.
 Phoebe Ellen              wi m 28 married 6 years.

 81 Church Road Homerton  Hackney
 

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Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: The Mystery Of My Grandmothers Parentage
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 February 21 19:14 GMT (UK) »
WALLS, PHOEBE  ELLEN HENDERSON    WREN 
GRO Reference: 1882  J Quarter in STEPNEY  Volume 01C  Page 455


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Re: The Mystery Of My Grandmothers Parentage
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 14 February 21 19:55 GMT (UK) »
In 1911 Walter Charles conveniently gives the actual address where he was born, and the family are still there in 1881

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27S-PPMD

Parents are the page before John 53 b Whitechapel
And Emily 51 b Bermondsey

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 14 February 21 19:57 GMT (UK) »
WALLS, PHOEBE  ELLEN HENDERSON    WREN 
GRO Reference: 1882  J Quarter in STEPNEY  Volume 01C  Page 455

In 1881 the family I think is the Walls Wren family are lodging with William and Catherine Anderson.
I am wondering if Henderson is really Anderson.

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Re: The Mystery Of My Grandmothers Parentage
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 14 February 21 23:32 GMT (UK) »
were Phoebe Ellen H Walls who married Walter Charles Hayward 1905 Bethnal Green related to William Henry Walls who married Alice Louise Hall Edmonton 1906 related?? all these Walls and Halls Im a tad confused

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Re: The Mystery Of My Grandmothers Parentage
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 14 February 21 23:39 GMT (UK) »
I don’t think we know yet.
I cannot find Phoebe in 1891 or 1901 which isn’t helping!

And the Walls/Wren combo are messy as well.