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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 14 May 22 18:22 BST (UK) »
Thanks Rathmore and Kiltiglassen.
The Peerage website also gives its side of the Dill family structure - Rob Elliott.

https://www.thepeerage.com/

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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #19 on: Monday 23 May 22 02:41 BST (UK) »
Jack,

Regarding the Silver Bowl Blog i'm afraid as the original early story is incorrect it will keep being repeated. But the later details from direct family can be useful.
The same with the 'Peerage', half the family is missing off that.
Reason being is the family line known as 'John Dill's' is generally omitted as all the family histories come from the David Dill line.
But as these have possibly been mixed up at the time of the Hearth Tax Rolls there is a problem with anything pre 1700 being accurate, in my opinion.
The Peerage was taken from a set of family notes that are currently held in the Public Records Office Belfast, written by Nancy Kingham.
There were family 'interviews' done at various times, 1870's, whereby some very good notes were recorded.
These were not used in all of the 'official' Dill histories and so they are worth reviewing. I had hoped to go over to Belfast later this year to have a look at various documents and if time allowed read the Dill notes. 
The current Dill family of Donegal, the Nova Scotia family and the New York State family from Caleb Dill who emigrated around 1720-30, all share the same Ydna.
The Dill family of Delaware, emigrated 1740, do not have the same Ydna.
But my Elliott cousins and i have autosomal dna matches multi times to both lines.
There are actually a couple of Dill USA facebook pages running sort of parallel to each other but not in discussion.
When i referred to Raphoe previously it was for the District and i generally do this for USA contacts. Rather than initially explain Townlands, as these can be very confusing to some unfamiliar with them, particularly somewhere like Fanad, that an old record may have as Fannet.
I use the term Raphoe to indicate the various families living south of Letterkenny in the Laggan Valley [supposed to be John Dill at Allsaints, Newtowncunningham] or those North of Letterkenny in the Lower Fanad area, Ramelton, Milford etc.
The Townland of Magheradrumman, Lower Fanad was where a number of families lived including the Dill & Reagh family.
Reagh is a very rare name but it is not connected to the Rea family although many genealogy sites [one well known one in particular] do a standardisation of the surnames so later the Reagh name to Rea.
Ydna shows there is no connection, although it is true that in the USA at times the Reagh have morphed into a number of spellings, Ray, Wray, more importantly Rhea [the vast majority of these in America being Donegal Reagh's] but the odd Rea too.
Reagh is important to the Dill line as i believe there is a very old marriage tying the two families, that has a long standing effect.
When the Dill family splits into the two branches [c1640-50], the Raphoe and Fanad lines, the Reagh family does the same and they live within very close proximity in both locations.
When they emigrate too, first to the USA 1720-40, then Nova Scotia, 1760's, the two families are again found together, and even intermarry again.
I asked a number of Rhea family in the USA and the Dill family in Nova Scotia to check their dna matches for the others name. Each came back saying they had multiple matches.
This would appear to show the old connection from back in Donegal.
However there is a third Ramelton area family usually found with them, the Neely/Neily's.
Its quite possible there are more families tied to them.
There is a history of the Neely family, called the 'Neely's of Neelytown, New York'.
There is a Presbyterian Church Baptism roll for 1741, i think it is, and each family is baptising a new child born as first generation in America, all listed on the same page.
There are Hunter's on the rolls too.
I think it would be reasonable to assume some of the other families listed have Donegal connections too.

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« Reply #20 on: Monday 23 May 22 02:55 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately in order to find if a connection is buried in Mount Moriah cemetery with a tie to Donegal it will take a bit of work if its general people being checked.
Probably the easiest way is to go through the Philadelphia death registers for your particular surname and see if they list the parents as being from Donegal. The death registers usually say which cemetery the person was buried in, then you can go back to findagrave and look the person up.
I found Martha Hunter buried there this way but her record actually stated she was from Milford in Donegal, making it a bit easier.
As Philadelphia's death records often give both parents names, including surname, this can be of great use when the parents didn't emigrate.
Martha Hunter's parents were Jospeh Hunter b1807 and Catherine Elliott b1800, married in Fanad Presbyterian Church. Joseph emigrated to Philadelphia with his daughters but Catherine had passed away in Ireland.

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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #21 on: Monday 23 May 22 08:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Rob, email sent. If i may use you for any Dill references? Then i do not have to go down that path. Happy to chat on any of the subject we have covered. The Facebook website Limavady Area Ancestry has a chap by the name of Stephen McCracken who is well versed in many things in Ulster. He also has contacts who delve into cemetery records. He maybe able to help. If you are not on Facebook send me an email and i will pass it on.

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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #22 on: Monday 23 May 22 21:12 BST (UK) »
Jack,
Not sure what time you sent email but nothing as yet.
Limavady not my area, too far from Donegal, have no connections there at all, but thanks for the suggestion.
I have quite a lot of good sources for my area of interest in Milford/Ramelton, have also made quite a ridiculous amount of dna connections from around there too, particularly the Milford families.
A couple of names to look out for in trees are Patterson Cheatley and Dill Hunter.
These are individuals not four family surnames but clearly are named from the four surnames, but these two guys pop up in lots of peoples trees.
If you just google, Patterson Cheatley, you will see there are actually more than one of them over generations, from the Milford area.
Another on line record worth a look is Milford Presbyterian Church marriages.
These records name the witnesses, so in the 1840-50 period you get lots of names that you won't see on other records as there were no census and for some of my people they have emigrated by the 1850's so you would not see them on any other Donegal record as the births of the 1820-30 period for Presbyterians is hit & miss.
Milford Workhouse records are good too as it was actually the local 'hospital' there are many admissions for simple injuries.
Rob


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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #23 on: Monday 23 May 22 23:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Rob, see PM. Mr. McCracken knowledge and contacts not confined to Limavady. Worth dropping a line.
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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #24 on: Friday 10 June 22 14:22 BST (UK) »
Just incase you haven't this information, this is an entry in the Registry of Deeds for a Francis McClure (Gent) and brother David from 1736 (Findrum) Co. Donegal, the original image should be available on Family Search, but these books are not easy to navigate

https://irishdeedsindex.net/mem.php?memorial=61390
McCorkell, Clarke, Williams, Craig, Baird, Peoples, MacDonald, Wray and associated families, Counties Donegal and Londonderry, Ireland and America

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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 11 June 22 00:13 BST (UK) »
Many Thanks Joe,
great treasures to be found thru that link.
You are right the navigation is almost like a lucky dip.
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Jack.
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