Duggan (maybe born 1852) ??? badly in need of a clean up and estimate of date

[Treetotal]

Nice work Peter...I was going to give him a shave this morning but no need now    the more I worked on it, the more convinced I became that they were the same man, only taken a short time between.
Carol

[Aussielass]

Hello, again, AL.

Just remembered you were after a rough date for the bearded photo. I think it is probably within five years of the other photo, say the mid-1870s when beards and wide lapels were in vogue.

Peter

Thanks Peter and Carol, you have certainly helped to clarify the date of the photo.

could add the same beard onto the man with no beard as removing the beard is guess work really on the shape of his chin.

Chloe, if you would like to give him a beard, I'm sure he wouldn't mind.  In fact I'm sure he would be impressed with all the fuss and attention he has been given.

Thanks again everyone, extremely pleased with the restos, advice and observations.

Kind Regards, Aussielass 

[Gadget]

Just something to think on - Jim and I dated the first photo as late 1860s- 1870s but came down on 1870s because of the back. If this photo is also 1870s, is it the same person or is the later photo an 1880s one

Gadget

Add - I think the second one is late 1870s - early 1880s.  If born 1852, he would be 18- early 20s in first one and late 20s-early 30s in the second.

[Aussielass]

Just something to think on - Jim and I dated the first photo as late 1860s- 1870s but came down on 1870s because of the back. If this photo is also 1870s, is it the same person or is the later photo an 1880s one

Gadget

Add - I think the second one is late 1870s - early 1880s.  If born 1852, he would be 18- early 20s in first one and late 20s-early 30s in the second.

Thanks Gadget, yes I agree, he is more youthful in the first photo and has matured in the 2nd, so late 20's - early 30's certainly fits.  He didn't marry until 1883, so the 2nd photo may well fit in with a pre-marriage or even marriage portrait.  Sadly no wedding photos, I do know a lot were discarded  by family at some stage, lucky that we even have the two photos that I posted.  Once again, appreciate your help and advice.

Kind Regards,  Aussielass