Baptism record.

[patrish]

Yes, thats what make this even more difficult

I have a rough family tree,  I think I need to persue this marriage before going any further.

Thomas Thurston Stanley b 1781  married Harriet Smith (the foundling) b 1791  the first conclusive child is Thomas Thurston Stanley

I have a copy of baptims records for 3 children all born to Thomas Thurston Stanley and Harriet , with all 3 dates of birth but only batism date for Thomas. All in St Georges in the East.

Thomas born 24th July 1823. baptised  Jan 7th 1832

Elizabeth born 13th Nov 1827

Caroline born 31st Dec 1830

I am convinced that there is a connection between Harriet Stanly b c 1850 and Thomas the son b 1823 because of his marriage and children and the witnesses on Harriets marriage to Samuel Hall.

 

[patrish]

Just been found.
, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name:   Thomas Thurston Stanley
Gender:   Male
Record Type:   Marriage
Marriage Date:   9 Dec 1811
Marriage Place:   St John, Hackney, Hackney, England
Spouse:   
Harriet Smith   

From Parish Register

[jonwarrn]

On the marriage in 1868 one of the witnesses is Thomas Tyler and Eliza Stanley so I am sure that this is her brother Thomas's daughter Eliza

Image of 1868 marriage on FamilySearch (a very good one!)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G96G-2VHG

Eliza Stanley the witness signed her name.

1871 marriage at same church, Eliza Harriet Stanley, father Thomas Thurston Stanley.
Eliza marked. Groom signed
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G96G-LYDZ

Whilst that is not proof they aren't the same person, it may cast a bit of doubt?

[JenB]

 
On her marriage to Samuel Hall in 1868 in St Thomas, parish of Stepney she is a minor with consent, gives her father as Thomas Thurston Stanley , Deceased.   She gives her POB in later census as born St. Georges in the East, Stepney.

Thomas Thurston Stanley wasn’t deceased in 1868. He can be found on several subsequent censuses.

[jonwarrn]

Eliza (Harriet) and her father Thomas (Thurston) Stanley in Ratcliff in 1861. Thomas a Corn Porter.
piece 284 folio 129 page 26

Perhaps a better image again on FS than on ancestry!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMW-QQMT-4

Do we have those Stanleys in 1851?
Coincidentally, living in the same house in 1861 are two Harriets. Surname Robinson.
One Harriet is forty something, and the other, her daughter, is eleven. Both born St Geo East.
Head is Willm Robinson, 32, Chair Maker.
Not sure if they are about in 1851 either?

[patrish]

I have the actual copy of marriage cert in 1868 thank you.    Neither of those links works, for me as I am not a member of family search

So I cant view the other marriage in 1871 of Eliza Harriet either.

[patrish]

So if Thomas Thurston Stanley is not deceased in 1868 who is her father then  Thomas Stanley ?

[patrish]

"Do we have those Stanleys in 1851?
Coincidentally, living in the same house in 1861 are two Harriets. Surname Robinson.
One Harriet is forty something, and the other, her daughter, is eleven. Both born St Geo East.
Head is Willm Robinson, 32, Chair Maker.
Not sure if they are about in 1851 either? "

This is who I have been thinking was my Harriet aged 11 with her mother Harriet aged 40 Living under the name of Robinson 

As far as I know no one has found that family in 1851, I do not have subs to Ancestry or FindMyPast so I cannot look.

[jonwarrn]

Hi
Sorry about that. You have to be registered now, sadly. Though still free.

Harriet Thuston Stanley baptized 26 July 1816, St Botolph Aldgate.
Has a date of birth, 21 July 1812 or 1813? Can't be sure about that.
Father Thomas Thuston Stanley a Waterman. Mother Harriet.

Ancestry have transcribed Harriet Robinson's age as 47 in 1861. They might be right!
I guess she could be Thomas's sister. Is there no sign of a marriage?
John