Mary Irene Williams b abt 1865 Glamorgan

[colincam]

Hi
Regarding the two new marriages for David Williams and Sarah:-
The 1822 one with Sarah Buckley is not a possibility because Jacob was born in 1819
The 1815 one with Sarah Williams fits better with the children we are aware of than the 1806 one with Sarah Richard. But David Williams and Sarah might have had children that had left home by the time of the 1841 Census.
Regards
colincam

[colincam]

it would be a long way to take an infant from Newport, Pembs for baptism, about 20 miles. Babies were usually baptised within 3 weeks of birth.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Newport

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Haverfordwest

Although she gives Newport on that census, she possibly was born in Nevern. It's quite common to give the place of birth as somewhere nearby that is better known when living at a distance from place of birth and Newport was a working port at the time, my mariner ggrandfather sailed out of there.

 

Ok I agree with you regarding the Haverfordwest baptism
Regards
colincam

[colincam]

Hi
Regarding the two new marriages for David Williams and Sarah:-
The 1822 one with Sarah Buckley is not a possibility because Jacob was born in 1819
The 1815 one with Sarah Williams fits better with the children we are aware of than the 1806 one with Sarah Richard. But David Williams and Sarah might have had children that had left home by the time of the 1841 Census.
Regards
colincam

Hi again
Sarah would have been 29 in 1815 and 20 in 1806 based on the 1841 Census if my arithmetic is correct so I think the 1806 marriage is more likely in these days
I also think Isaac b 1828 would probably have been her last child. She would have been 42 by then
What do you think of my logic?
Regards
colincam

[osprey]

children baptised to David, miner & Sarah of Rhydycar
Presbyterian for Isaac & Catherine already given by Ladyhawk
also Mary baptised 10 July 1825

parish church baptisms
Jacob 3 Oct 1819
Elizabeth 16 Feb 1817
Sarah 4 Sep 1814

Map showing Rhydycar & Lower Wern, address in 1841
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qa6/

Another possible for the marriage is 14 May 1811 in Bryngwyn, Monmouthshire by licence of David Williams, widower, of Merthyr Tydfil, and Sarah Roger, spinster of Bryngwyn. There's also one closer to Merthyr Tydfil 12 Aug 1811 in Bedwellty of David Williams & Sarah Davies.

 

[colincam]

Hi Osprey
Thanks for adding the baptisms of Elizabeth and Sarah to the list of David Wiiliam's children
We now have several possibilities for Sarah viz
Richard - 1806 marriage not close enough to Sarah's birth in 1814
Buckley & Williams - both marriages after Sarah's birth
Roger - David would have to have been married & widowed before. To whom?
Davies - I don't know how close Bedwellty is to Merthyr Tydfil
Plenty food for thought there
Regards
colincam

[osprey]

about 6 miles or so

https://www.genuki.org.uk/maps/lmap?LL=51.746270,-3.372545&COUNTRY=5&PLACE=Merthyr%20Tydfil

David is shown as not born in county on 1841 census and is probably dead before 1851 census to check place of birth.

With not uncommon names and earlier registers with little detail, it is approaching guesswork.

 

[colincam]

Hi Osprey
The ideal marriage between David Williams and Sarah would be one which took place just before
baby Sarah's birth in Sep 1814. Sadly I can't find one in that category anywhere in Glamorganshire in Ancestry.
The only ones I can find in Wales are the following
Sarah Lewis 1 Dec 1812, Carmarthenshire
Sarah Williams 5 Oct 1812 Denbighshire
Sarah Roger 14 May 1811 Monmouthshire
Sarah Rees 16 Mar 1813 Breconshire
But since our Sarah was born in Glamorganshire and baby Sarah was born in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, I am not too impressed with any of the above.
I don't indulge in guesswork
Regards
colincam

[osprey]

Denbighshire would be too far away. Some Breconshire parishes border Merthyr Tydfil, but that marriage is in Llanwrthwl, the other side of the county and the groom is of Cwmteuddwr in Radnorshire

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Llanwrthwl

Carmarthenshire one shows both as of Llangadog and David is a labourer. Possible baptisms to the couple in neighbouring parish Myddfai.
Monmouthshire marriage to Sarah Roger in Bryngwyn, not particularly close to Merthyr Tydfil.

The marriage could be in a parish that isn't online.

 

[colincam]

I don't think we can make any further progress on Sarah's surname. I'm not convinced by any of the possibilities
However I am puzzled that I can't find a baptismal record for the subject of this thread, Mary Irene Williams when I have such records from Aberdare for all of her known siblings. I can't believe she was the only one not baptised.
Also I would like to be more confident that her mother was Ann Harris.
Regards
colincam