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Re: Mary Irene Williams b abt 1865 Glamorgan
« Reply #9 on: Friday 05 February 21 16:48 GMT (UK) »
No relationships given on 1841 census if we presume Sarah is his daughter and named after her mother there is this possible marriage

David Williams
Marriage 17 Nov 1806 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
Spouse:   Sarah Richard
married after banns, both single both made their mark
(a mistake I think with surname for David written as Richard)
In presence of  William Jones & William Williams

Edit to add still looking for a baptism for Sarah & Jacob

found Catharine’s and her marriage

Catharine Williams Birth 1 Apr 1823
Baptism Date:   27 Apr 1823 Merthyr, Glamorganshire, Wales
Denomination:   Presbyterian
Father:   David Williams Mother:   Sarah
England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1936

Marriage 9 Nov 1846 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
Catherine Williams f/a father David Williams, miner
William Griffiths, miner father George, miner
Catherine made her mark
Witness W Rowland & Jacob Williams

Marriage 10 Mar 1847 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
Jacob Williams f/a, miner David Williams, miner
Gwenllian  Howells f/a father Thomas, coal agent
all signed
Witnesses W Rowland &  John Howells
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Re: Mary Irene Williams b abt 1865 Glamorgan
« Reply #10 on: Friday 05 February 21 17:36 GMT (UK) »
possible for Ann in 1841 census in Nevern, the neighbouring parish to Newport, William is a carpenter.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M77Q-88F

map for address
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01q9x/

baptism for Margaret
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCBK-H7N

By 1851 Ann senior has died and William has remarried,
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCBK-S17

30 April 1845 parish church of Whitechurch
William Harris full widower carpenter father Thomas Harris farmer
Martha Gibbon full spinster father William Gibbon carpenter
witnesses John Morris & Owen Thomas, all sign except Martha

census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGC1-VRG
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Mary Irene Williams b abt 1865 Glamorgan
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 06 February 21 12:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi All
I am grateful for all the help yesterday. It's been a lot to take in but I'm getting there.
I spotted a transcription error in the 1841 Census entry for David and Sarah Williams and family. Sarah is shown as aged 35 in the transcription but when you look at the actual document, she is much more likely to be 55
I have been unable to find the record of the marriage of David Williams and Sarah Richard on 17 Nov 1806. Can you provide me with the reference and source please?
Possibly other enquiries later
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Re: Mary Irene Williams b abt 1865 Glamorgan
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 06 February 21 14:06 GMT (UK) »

I have been unable to find the record of the marriage of David Williams and Sarah Richard on 17 Nov 1806.

Can you provide me with the reference and source please?


The record is on Anc*y Glamorganshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1570-1994 - have added  snippet - 2nd one shows the wrong surname for David
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Re: Mary Irene Williams b abt 1865 Glamorgan
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 06 February 21 14:31 GMT (UK) »

I spotted a transcription error in the 1841 Census entry for David and Sarah Williams and family.

Sarah is shown as aged 35 in the transcription but when you look at the actual document,
she is much more likely to be 55


I agree with you it does look more like age 55
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Re: Mary Irene Williams b abt 1865 Glamorgan
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 06 February 21 14:47 GMT (UK) »
There are also these marriage entries to consider

David Williams
Marriage 12 Jun 1815 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
Spouse:   Sarah Williams

David Williams
Marriage    30 Sep 1822 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
Spouse:   Sarah Buckley

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Re: Mary Irene Williams b abt 1865 Glamorgan
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 07 February 21 10:17 GMT (UK) »
Excellent work everyone :)
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Re: Mary Irene Williams b abt 1865 Glamorgan
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 07 February 21 14:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I found a possible baptism for Ann Harris on 29 Oct 1833 at Haverfordwest, St Thomas, Pembrokeshire, Wales. Her parents are a William & Mary Harries and William is a carpenter. What do you think about that? This is obviously different from your William & Anne Harris in Nevern
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Re: Mary Irene Williams b abt 1865 Glamorgan
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 07 February 21 14:37 GMT (UK) »
it would be a long way to take an infant from Newport, Pembs for baptism, about 20 miles. Babies were usually baptised within 3 weeks of birth.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Newport

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Haverfordwest

Although she gives Newport on that census, she possibly was born in Nevern. It's quite common to give the place of birth as somewhere nearby that is better known when living at a distance from place of birth and Newport was a working port at the time, my mariner ggrandfather sailed out of there.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb