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Re: Historical Police Records
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 11 February 21 05:24 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much for the helpful information - still trying to work it all out, but good to have those in the know assisting!
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« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 25 February 26 20:33 GMT (UK) »
I own the bible presented to police constable Thomas KEEN of Purton on 4th Feb 1852

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« Reply #20 on: Saturday 28 February 26 02:09 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to RootsChat andyb9999.

That is amazing! Tikva hasn't been online here since 2023, but hopefully she still has the same email address and will receive notification of your post. I'm sure she will be very interested.  :D

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« Reply #21 on: Saturday 28 February 26 03:52 GMT (UK) »
I own the bible presented to police constable Thomas KEEN of Purton on 4th Feb 1852

Oh WOW!  That is incredible!  I have found information about him being presented that and a Prayer book, but to have the actual bible!  Are you also a descendant of his?
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« Reply #22 on: Saturday 28 February 26 09:03 GMT (UK) »

On Thomas' Police Record it says:

"Wife born at Rodborough.  Previous trade or employment Private 90th Regiment of Foot.  Army or Naval Reserve?"

So maybe he was at sea? 
I was somewhat surprised by the reference to the 90th Regiment of Foot as this was a Scottish Regiment  with the full title of 90th Regiment of Foot (Perthshire Volunteers) (Light Infantry). There was a Private Thomas Keene (number 1539) recorded in the 1841 Worldwide Index, where he is shown as being at the 90th Foot Regimental depot in Tralee, Ireland, but I am inclined to think, based on what we know so far, this is not the correct man.

The newspaper article from the Devizes and Wiltshire Gazette dated 7th Dec 1848 (shown above in posting #4) says that Constable Thomas Keene, had been a constable in the village of Purton for 8 years by the time of the news article, meaning that, unless the article was wrong, he can't also have been in the Army in Ireland in around April to June 1841. However the clincher would be if the register of his marriage in June 1840 showed whether he was still a soldier, or was by then already a policeman.

There is also the question of why, if the 1841 Worldwide Index entry is the correct person, he was in a Scottish Regiment's depot in Ireland if he came from Kent or Wiltshire, and how he came to marry a girl from Kent in 1840. The earliest that he might have joined the Army was 1834 when he was 18, so there was plenty of time for him to do his 5 years' colour service with the regiment (the 90th Foot was then stationed in Ceylon) and then leave the Army in time to marry in Kent in 1840 and also join the police around the same time and start his job in Purton. This would also accord with the reference in his police record to him being an Army reservist since he would have had 7 years of reserve commitment after completing his 5 years of regular service.

The 1841 British Army Worldwide Index is a modern compilation by Kevin Asplin, created from muster rolls and pay lists between April and June 1841 held by the National Archives and so it is a snapshot in time which roughly corresponds to the 1841 census. The muster rolls were originally compiled on a monthly basis by each regiment or depot and would only include men who were present at the time (so excluding any reservists or those on furlough or detachment). If you were able to get to TNA at Kew it would be possible to check the muster rolls for the period 1834 -1841 for further traces of Private Thomas Keene 1539. which would show when he enlisted and when he left the Army. Unfortunately there is no easy way of knowing, based on his regimental number alone, when he enlisted.

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Re: Historical Police Records
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 28 February 26 10:43 GMT (UK) »
In the period 1832-35 the 90th Foot were in Ireland, before proceeding to Ceylon in January 1836. They sailed from Cork in Ireland although their ship briefly put into Plymouth for some repairs. The fact the Regiment does not appear to have been recruiting in England around the time when Thomas might have enlisted suggests that the more likely explanation is that he was recruited in Ireland. However the 1851 Census says that he was born in Minchinhampton, Gloucestershire.  Interestingly the regimental history rtrelates that during their stay in Ceylon " ...and in January, 1839, the whole regiment marched from Colombo to Kandy. While stationed there the men suffered very severely from ophthalmia, several losing their sight entirely, and a great number having to be invalided home".
Might this draft have included Thomas and explain his presence in Tralee in 1841?

Also what might have brought him to Kent in 1839 where his daughter was evidently conceived, and where he married in June 1840? Bear in mind this was before the advent of the railways, and so getting around England, and between England and Ireland was not trivial.

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« Reply #24 on: Saturday 28 February 26 11:28 GMT (UK) »
The Thomas Keen that married Mary Ann Hopson, Hougham, 9 Jun 1840 was a shoemaker, following in father's footsteps.

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« Reply #25 on: Saturday 28 February 26 19:49 GMT (UK) »
The Thomas Keen that married Mary Ann Hopson, Hougham, 9 Jun 1840 was a shoemaker, following in father's footsteps.

I would need to dig back into my research on this, but from memory, he was a shoemaker before becoming a Policeman, and returned to being a shoemaker after leaving the force.
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« Reply #26 on: Saturday 28 February 26 20:47 GMT (UK) »
He did - I thought I'd posted that information after finding him in '61 back with his father.