Vaccination priority groups

[Pheno]

What does anyone think about the blood clot issue with the AZ jab.  Must admit it is beginning to concern me now - particularly in regard to my 3x 30 year old girls, although I still have the 2nd one to go.

Pheno

[Girl Guide]

You need to put this in proportion to the number of people who have received the AZ vaccine.

A small section of the report on this from Astra Zeneca

A careful review of all available safety data of more than 17 million people vaccinated in the European Union (EU) and UK with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca has shown no evidence of an increased risk of pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis (DVT) or thrombocytopenia, in any defined age group, gender, batch or in any particular country.

From the full report below dated 14th March 2021

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2021/update-on-the-safety-of-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca.html

It's a bit like the number of deaths versus the number of people who live in a country.  As of quite recently UK 127000 deaths out of a population of 67 million.  That's about 0.19% of 67 million.

[groom]

2.7 million people have received the AZ/Oxford vaccine in Germany, and 31 patients have been identified with cerebral venous thrombosis. That is a very small percentage.

The trouble is who can say that those 31 people wouldn't have had a blood clot even if they hadn't received the vaccination?

[Girl Guide]

Groom - It doesn't show up as a percentage.  Used the percentage calculator and it came up with this answer:

31 is 0 % of 2700000

I assume that 31 is too small a number to register as a percentage of 2.7 million!

[John915]

Good morning,

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What does anyone think about the blood clot issue with the AZ jab.  Must admit it is beginning to concern me now - particularly in regard to my 3x 30 year old girls, although I still have the 2nd one to go.

Pheno
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I don't think there is anything to worry about. The present concerns were based on 4 occurrencies in Norway. However, blood clotting is common with all vaccines apparently and to a higher degree. A little research shows that this was checked for during developement and testing of the vaccines. I don't remember the figures for the pfizer vaccine but for AS it was roughly this. It was tested on about 4500 people, some received the vaccine and others a placebo. There were 50 or so cases of clotting, 24 from those receiving the vaccine and the remainder from those receiving a placebo.

Those figures were deemed permissable on the grounds that it is common with vaccines. Also that a percentage of people are likely to  be susceptible to blood clots anyway, viz a viz, those who received the placebo.

Those most susceptible are the overweight, those who don't or can't exercise enough and those who just don't give a s**t because it "wont happen to me".

John915

[Pheno]

Yes thats all very well (and I have a maths degree) however, if it is your nearest and dearest that becomes one of those statistics, and it could have been avoided, then that changes things.

Not my decision but if any of them were to ask my opinion then I would currently be very hesitant about the AZ and would suggest they go for something else.

Pheno

Added: John's response came in whilst I was typing.  If that is the case then why haven't we heard/seen this in connection to any of the other vaccines.

[John915]

Back again,

This was all on tv in the uk. My initial research was from OH who watches all these programmes and passed it on. Having just asked her, there were higher figures recorded during testing of the pfizer vaccine than for AS. But the percentages were roughly the same split between vaccine and placebo.

John915

Added, at the time of the tv show no figures had been released for any other vaccines.

[groom]

Look at it another way - women who take the pill can also develop blood clots,  some studies put it that 1 in 1,000 women per year who are taking birth control pills may develop a clot. However pregnancy can also lead to blood clots! There are also many other causes, so I don't think that 31 out of 2.7 million is much to worry about.

I agree Pheno, hard if it is loved ones. However isn't life all about making decisions and perhaps even taking chances? You take a chance every time you go out in a car, get on an aeroplane etc. If they decide to refuse the AZ and wait until offered another, what is to say that a few weeks down the line it isn't discovered that particular vaccine causes problems?

I believe the only way we are going to get rid of, or at least reduce this virus is if majority of people are vaccinated. It does worry me that people may start refusing it.

[Jebber]

I am totally unconcerned about the AstraZeneca vaccine which is the one I have had. I am just glad I am not in Germany where Angela Merkel has asked the Russians for their unapproved vaccine.